Here is my post:
CG: Nonsense. Nobody is saying that an intelligent designer doesn't exist (man). That in NO way is evidence that Man is the intelligent designer of the universe. There is simply no evidence for a designer of the universe, or of life as we see it on Earth, that isn't easier explained with natural means.
M: He doesn't have to create the Universe ~ just one new lifeform is sufficient, and it doesn't even have to be all that different ...
This appears to be Fester's oft-stated (and oft-denied) formulation that anything anywhere intelligently designed by anyone is evidence that everything everywhere was intelligently designed.
Fester tells me that's not what he means, but his posts can be somewhat murky. Mmuawiyah, on the other hand, seems to mean exactly that. Perhaps they can get together and sort it out for us.
To which, you responded:
That's simple logic.
Claim something less than universality and you're OK.
I certainly never claim universality on anything ~
All that's needed to knock down that argument is to find a single Intelligent Designer who has managed to create only one marginally different lifeform.
ADM qualifies as the Intelligent Designer.
They aren't the only one either, but they exist and do that stuff.
So, cranking that into your dichotomy forces us to believe that ID is correct, or that Occam is wrong.
No doubt you didn't anticipate Occam being at stake in the debate or you wouldn't have done that, but you really have to keep in mind that in an everchanging Universe, with recombinant DNA technology being used and under further development, we cannot fail to INCLUDE the existence of at least one ID in the pot.
He doesn't have to create the Universe ~ just one new lifeform is sufficient, and it doesn't even have to be all that different ~
how the hell did you format that post that way?