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Jeb Bush Calls Tone of Immigration Debate `Hurtful' (Official "Bush Picks At Toe Jam" th
LA Times ^ | 4/5/06 | Peter Wallsten

Posted on 04/05/2006 5:50:41 AM PDT by zook

WASHINGTON — Accusing politicians of "pounding their chests" on immigration for short-term political gain, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Tuesday that the tone of the debate had been "hurtful" to him and his Mexican-born wife, Columba.

Bush, the younger brother of President Bush, reserved some of his sharpest criticism for conservatives in his own Republican Party, calling it "just plain wrong" to charge illegal immigrants with a felony, as a provision passed by the Republican-led House would do. He also opposed "penalizing the children of illegal immigrants" by denying them U.S. citizenship, an idea backed by some conservatives but not included in the legislation.

"My wife came here legally, but it hurts her just as it hurts me when people give the perception that all immigrants are bad," the Florida governor wrote in an e-mail exchange with The Times.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aduck; aliens; awitch; border; constamatootionparty; florida; immigrantdebate; immigration; jebbush; kickthedog; latimes; madeofwood; mexicanwife; newsignups; xenophobia
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To: MineralMan

I support you 100% on this.


101 posted on 04/05/2006 7:22:07 AM PDT by zook
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To: summer

Looks like Jeb screwed up. This illegal justification is so frustrating.


102 posted on 04/05/2006 7:22:30 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Join the FR folding team!! http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=36120)
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To: tutstar

Yes.


103 posted on 04/05/2006 7:22:52 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

A loon is a noble animal. A goon is, well, it's something else.


104 posted on 04/05/2006 7:23:21 AM PDT by zook
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To: joesnuffy
Nor the stupid arrogance of the Bush's.
105 posted on 04/05/2006 7:23:42 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: brytlea
This is the point I have been making for a while now. They know they are blurring the issue and thats one of the things that makes me sick. If they could argue their point, maybe they could convince me, but instead, because their side is wrong, they use "the liberal method of winning an argument."

"Oh this hurts me personally?" "Anti immigrant faction?" " non documented workers?". This whole framing of the argument is bull.

106 posted on 04/05/2006 7:24:00 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: MineralMan
What I don't understand is how messages posted here that call our President a traitor don't get pulled. That just seems so far over the top to me that I don't get it.

Holy Toledo, I agree with you!

107 posted on 04/05/2006 7:24:00 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: bwteim

I never said majority - there are at least a couple dozen here, which I can extrapolate to the population as a whole though.


108 posted on 04/05/2006 7:24:15 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: johnny7
We all knew Bush was no Reagan when we chose him in 2000... now we're just getting the balance of the order.

If only he would follow the Gipper on Mexican illegals (sigh).

109 posted on 04/05/2006 7:25:12 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Jeb has a drug head daughter doesn't he, do those illegal drug laws sadden him too?

Wow! Thought I stumbled into DU for a second there.

110 posted on 04/05/2006 7:25:18 AM PDT by RMDupree (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: normy
They would be better off than where they are now.

Granted.. They would..
There are many things to consider though..

Firstly, Africa is an AIDS "hell".. It is rampant..
So, everyone would have to be subjected to health exams..
Secondly, their culture is totally foreign..
Many don't understand simple things like not leaving the baby in the car.. ( I know, we've got native-born americans that can't comprehend the concept either..)
Third, religious belief.. A lot of muslims..
I have a problem with importing muslims.. sorry, just a sign of the times, I guess, but it's a problem..

I'd be a lot more willing to offer those jobs to say, Vietnamese, Thai, Laotian, or Indonesians..
If it's just a "black" thing, then how about Brazilians? There are plenty of black Brazilians..

111 posted on 04/05/2006 7:27:05 AM PDT by Drammach (In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king..)
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To: zook
Gov. Bush suggests that some fellow Republicans are misusing the issue for short-term political gain. Right on, Jeb!

You got exactly the response I knew you'd get.

The only thing I haven't seen yet (I'm halfway through) is that Jeb is a Catholic puppet dancing on Cardinal Mahoney's strings.

For all those who thought Mahoney was a lone Indian among the Catholic hierarchy, read what Archbishop Chaput of Denver has to say on the issue. (It's up in the religion forum) It's almost indistinguishable from what Mahoney has said.

112 posted on 04/05/2006 7:27:29 AM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: DCPatriot
Aren't you glad you started this thread so all the morons could spew their rightuousness?

The only sanctimonious righteousness I see on this thread is from Jeb, who is deliberately blurring the debate.

We have commented on FR time and time again that the answer of the Dems to failure is to demand we do more of what has failed in the past.

So what is President Bush wanting to do regarding illegal immigration? More of what has failed in the past. We've passed new laws in the past that simply don't get enforced. We've granted amnesty in the past and it just led to more illegals coming here and hoping for the next amensty. We've done it Bush's way for two decades - and the problem has gotten worse. Doing more of what has failed should not be a GOP approach.

What we need to do is more of what has worked. Build more fencing - where strong fencing has been built, it has worked. Improve enforcement. Crack down on employers hiring illegals. And work to eliminate government-paid benefits to illegals.

That is what the GOP House wants - and they are the most representative of the GOP base. Bush has drifted further and further away from the base, as have the likes of McCain and Specter. Nothing less than the future of the GOP is at stake - and ironically over the stubborn desire of key pubbies to demand that we do more of what fails.

113 posted on 04/05/2006 7:27:46 AM PDT by dirtboy (Tagline under contruction. Fines doubled.)
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To: johnny7

LOL


114 posted on 04/05/2006 7:28:09 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: varina davis

Anyone who blurrs the line between legal immigrants and illegal aliens is using the issue for something....
susie


115 posted on 04/05/2006 7:29:45 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: sinkspur

"You got exactly the response I knew you'd get."

So, do you think I'm "bear baiting" too much? I sort of get a guilty pleasure out of it. Maybe that's wrong.


116 posted on 04/05/2006 7:30:47 AM PDT by zook
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To: VanDeKoik
YOU CROSS THE BOARDER WITHOUT PREMISSION, IT IS A C-R-I-M-E!

Is a misdemeanor a "crime"? Is running a stop sign a "crime"?

Even the Republicans in the House are scrambling like mad to insist that immigration violations are misdemeanors, not felonies.

117 posted on 04/05/2006 7:31:23 AM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: zook; All

Come on now, yesterday you all were hoping he would replace Katherine in the Senate race and today you drop him like a hot patato. Was it something he said? ROTFLMAO.

By the way, I agree with all of you, but I am not surprised by his nieve views.


118 posted on 04/05/2006 7:33:28 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: reagandemo
"It is sad to watch everything we have worked for since kicking Jimmy Carter out of the White House go up in smoke. "W" and his fellow Repubs better get their heads out of their arses on this and quick or it's all over. What part of "Illegal" do they not understand?"

Oh, come on now, we have more Conservative judges, didn't renew the AWB, and have a strong military. 20 million third worlders are are going to appreciate that once they become citizens, right? I mean, it's not like they're going to try and bring their relatives from back home into the US or anything like that. How silly to think they will vote for their own third world interests instead of AMERICAN interests.
119 posted on 04/05/2006 7:34:18 AM PDT by Rebelbase (The last time I was this angry with a President was when Slick was in office.)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

It is over! Move to AUSTRAILIA.

Although I loved visiting Austrailia is 2002, I don't want any of us on the site to start acting like the Baldwin idiot so let's not say this sentence at least.


120 posted on 04/05/2006 7:35:32 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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