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To: Your Nightmare

[I can play that game. Let's suppose a person retiring tomorrow with $2,000,000 in after-tax savings. Do you think they'd be better off with the FairTax?]

I've already said closer than 4 years to retirement starts to see a problem. That is a far cry from "anybody over 50".

[Try your example without the 401(k) (or, even better, factor it into the outcome) and see how your numbers turn out.]

The 401k grows rax-free under both PIT and FairTax for ten years. At the end of 10 years it is worth $600K. It provides the same $4,200 per month income for 25 years. Together with the A-T savings income and my pension and SS benefits:

PIT:
A-T income stream: $2,800
401k income stream: $4,200
Pension: $1,800
SS: $2,200
Total: $11,000 per month $132,000 per year ($80K taxable income)
Income Tax: $1,500 per month $18,000 per year
Purchasing power: $9,500 per month


FairTax:
A-T income stream: $5,400
401k income stream: $4,200
Pension: $1,800
SS: $2,000
FCA: $200
Total: $13,200 per month $158,400 per year
Income Tax: $0
FairTax paid: $2,700 per month
Mortgage + PropTax: $1,400 per month $17,000 per year
FairTaxable purchases: $9,100
Purchasing power: $10,500 per month

So the FairTax is only going to allow me an extra $1,000 per month in purchasing power. That's not a lot, but I'm sure I'll find a use for it.


[The portion of mortgage interest representing the cost of financial intermediation services is taxable under the FairTax. ]

So my mortgage interest rate falls from 6% to 4.5% due to the removal of the income taxes the bank must pay, my mortgage interest falls from $12K to $9K, and then I pay FairTax on the financial intermediation portion which is about $1200 (30% of $4,000) and my net outlay falls from $12K to $10.2K.

Thanks for clarifying. That's another $2K per year I can add to my savings.

[You showed an example where someone at the extreme margin would show limited gains ...]

You think my numbers are at the extreme margin ? I had no idea I was so well-off -- considering I still can't afford better than a townhouse in SoCal. And you consider a 50% improvement in purchasing power on the A-T savings to be "limited gains" ? It sounds like a significant gain to me.


567 posted on 04/10/2006 1:40:21 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. ~)
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To: Kellis91789
Your analysis is still lacking. You still have to PIT example paying too much in IT. (And why, exactly did you add pension and SS to the scenario?)


You think my numbers are at the extreme margin ? I had no idea I was so well-off -- considering I still can't afford better than a townhouse in SoCal.
The median income for nonelderly childless households (that seems closest to your situation) was ~$44,000 in 2002. $125,000 may not be much in SoCal, but you'd be a real playa here in Houston (a really nice 3,500 sq. ft starter castle in the suburbs would cost you about $300k).
570 posted on 04/10/2006 2:24:29 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Kellis91789; Your Nightmare
Purchasing power: $10,500 per month
That's a pretty good deal. Not many people can retire with more after-tax purchasing power than their gross pay BEFORE retirement....Who's going to be paying all the taxes in your scenario?
578 posted on 04/10/2006 5:04:58 PM PDT by lewislynn (Fairtax = lies, hope, wishful thinking, conjecture and lies. (no it's not a mistake)
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