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To: Shalom Israel

I will not live to see the end of oppression--that's true

I would certainly hope not, as your view of what the world should be would be the end of the constitution and the republic it guarantees. Everyman for himself anarchy is not a warm fuzzy in anyone's lexicon.

Unlike you, I don't respond by choosing to collaborate with the oppressors.

To an anarchist like you have claimed for yourself, any government at all is collaboration with oppressors. I'll stick with working to rebuild the basis of government this nation was established on, a constitutional republic with limited and enumerated powers.

Anarchy is just a formula that leads to a tyranny of the warlord and whoever carries a bigger gun to harass and oppress his neighbor. As a conservative I have no interest nor truck with those who deal in chaos. I have seen more than enough examples of such in my life time and have no desire to see more.

226 posted on 04/06/2006 5:54:25 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: ancient_geezer
Everyman for himself anarchy is not a warm fuzzy in anyone's lexicon.

Your fears are overblown. Remember: Hobbes was a moron. Hobbes was a moron.

To an anarchist like you have claimed for yourself...

Anarcho-capitalist, please. "Anarchists" are almost all mob-rule socialists.

...any government at all is collaboration with oppressors.

Certainly. But I'll gladly take the minarchy designed by the founders, if I could get it. What I won't do, under any circumstances, is repeat the lie that our present government is what the founders created. The Constitution is long dead. Its primary use today is as a facade to legitimate out-and-out totalitarianism.

Anarchy is just a formula that leads to a tyranny of the warlord...

In one sense I agree with you: people are so stupid, that if you gave them freedom, they would become utterly terrified, and run around in a panic trying to figure out who's their master. People are not ready for freedom, and so in a sense don't deserve it. Franklin's cynical "if you can keep it" was prophetic.

On the other hand, you are amazingly confident that you know exactly what would happen if we instituted something completely unprecedented in the world. Since your ability to prophesy the effect of even minor changes in tax law is so poor, why would you believe that you can so confidently predict the outcome of a completely revolutionary society?

As a conservative...

The left-right dichotomy is a fiction. The true dichotomy is liberty versus state control. You and your leftist "foes" both believe in state control; you merely bicker about which rules to impose on the unwilling.

Nevertheless, I've already stipulated that I'm perfectly happy to settle for a minarchist republic. You've ignored that; perhaps because you don't know what "minarchist" means. It means "that government is best which governs least." It means reducing government to its bare minimum. The founders believed in that. You don't.

228 posted on 04/06/2006 6:10:00 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (I don't WANNA be like Canada, thanks.)
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