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To: Zon; Shalom Israel

a_g can you post the table for the FairTax rate with various government programs not included in the rate? Thanks.

Just a rough estimate, but here is what I came up with.

 

23%........... Effective total federal tax rate with respect to gross expenditure for consumption:

15% ..... rate if Social Security and Medicare were eliminated
14% .......... rate if Nat'l Endowment for the Arts were eliminated
12%........ rate if Dept. of Education were eliminated
10%.......... rate if welfare & foreign aid were eliminated
etc.

So lets look at what the maximum it would take to fund those functions clearly authorized under Article I Section 8 of the Constitution, in current dollars:

http://w3.access.gpo.gov/usbudget/fy2001/guide02.html#Spending

Institute an across the board, Flat rate, single stage National Retail Sales Tax, which taxes all imports and domestic products with the same rate.

Replacing all current federal tax law with a retail sales tax would be 23% on new goods and services paid and receipted at the retail register. No hidden tax, no exceptions, exemptions everyone participates.

Such a tax acts in a natural manner to encourage the elimination of excess government functions through visibility of burden among all constituencies of the electorate.

The total federal government budget would move from $2,000 billions towards something less than $580 billions calculated.

The across the board federal tax rate on new goods and services would decline towards less than 6.7%.

As tax rate on sales decreases the economic burden on retail items, the sales volumes and growth in the economy would be tremendous allowing even further reductions in tax rates below that less than 6.7% theoretic level.

That is what I perceive as the ultimate achievements possible under a National Retail Sales Tax structured in the manner of the revenue bill H.R.25. Simple common sense applied to the principal of TANSTAFFEL,( no free lunch, everyone participates in paying their way in proportion to the benefit they extract from their consumption over necessity.) encourages the natural change in attitudes required of the electorate as regards the burden of government largess in their lives.

Thomas Hobbes from Leviathan

Hmmmmmm....... It's do able, with time and effort, once the blinders are removed from the electorate.

109 posted on 04/05/2006 11:48:07 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: ancient_geezer

That is what I perceive as the ultimate achievements possible under a National Retail Sales Tax structured in the manner of the revenue bill H.R.25. Simple common sense applied to the principal of TANSTAFFEL,( no free lunch, everyone participates in paying their way in proportion to the benefit they extract from their consumption over necessity.) encourages the natural change in attitudes required of the electorate as regards the burden of government largess in their lives.

I see it the same way. Most people with an honest desire to educate themselves can grasp that with moderate effort. I think that when a person does get it they feel rewarded with having cut through the fog to see the light at the end of the tunnel. And that motivates them to support the FairTax. For some people eliminating the IRS/Gestapo and returning liberty is icing on the cake, while for others it is the cake.

It's do able, with time and effort, once the blinders are removed from the electorate.

Most definitely. Thanks for your post.

113 posted on 04/05/2006 12:07:46 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: ancient_geezer
Just a rough estimate, but here is what I came up with.
Not only is it a rough estimate, it's wrong.

It looks like you multiplied the 23% rate by the percentage of expenditure you wished to keep (non-SS expenditures are 65% of total, 23% x 65% = 15%), but you can't do simple arithmetic with inclusive sales tax rates. You have to use the exclusive rate, 29.87% * 65% = 19.42%. And 19.42% exclusive is 16.26% inclusive, not 15%.

Those inclusive rates can be kind of tricky, can't they.
127 posted on 04/05/2006 1:46:37 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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