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What is the FairTax?
Economic Freedom Coalition . Org ^ | current | Herman Cain

Posted on 04/04/2006 2:17:28 PM PDT by Eaglewatcher

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To: lewislynn

The Mastromarco/Burton explanation on the subject is quite clear and I think you'd understand it also, Looey.

Does this response mean that you didn't understand it?


501 posted on 04/09/2006 5:10:03 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Always Right

Are you boasting about your own veracity, Rightie??? Or just attacking someone else?


502 posted on 04/09/2006 5:11:20 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog; Always Right
Here's some data. It shows that even those earning far below the poverty level consume up to and beyond it.

Here.

'Course it's old, 2001. And there is no reason to think any other year would be significantly different.

Earn or not, folks consume. So while there will be those who some months receive more in prebate than they spend, the aggregate picture is that there will be very, very few in that situation long-term - contrary to what we have now in our income tax.

Yet another point on which the nrst is better than the existing system.

503 posted on 04/09/2006 5:26:50 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Always Right

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/ce/standard/2001/income.txt


504 posted on 04/09/2006 5:27:16 PM PDT by Principled
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To: pigdog

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/ce/standard/2001/income.txt


505 posted on 04/09/2006 5:28:38 PM PDT by Principled
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To: pigdog
Your comments seem to indicate that you have or had a copy of it so presumable you'll put it up for viewing.
I had one at some point. I'll have to find it.


Actually most of us would believe them rather than you if it comes to that Nightie. Their track record for veracity is much better than yours.
*cough* jorgenson *cough*
506 posted on 04/09/2006 5:34:27 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: lewislynn
How much is 100 less 22 lewis?

Besides, the question you're pounding your chest with is irrelevant. It doesn't make a lick of difference to me whether gov't purchases, wages, etc are taxed we've talked about why it makes sense numerous times. As long as withholding is eliminated, payroll tax is eliminated, income taxes (personal and business) are eliminated, and the disadvatage to US exporters is eliminated I'm happy.

THe other wrangling you're doing is just a bunch of nothingness for you to pound your chest with.

507 posted on 04/09/2006 5:37:30 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Always Right; pigdog
There are millions of people who earn below the poverty line and thus will spend much less on taxes than the prebate pays them.

THat's not what this data say: Data

So irrespective of reported earnings, folks spend. So, you're wrong.

Beyond that, what does it say that so many are underreporting earnings? That perhaps the nrst will indeed capture more taxes from the cash economy?

Got any other data to analyze? If so, post it.

508 posted on 04/09/2006 5:48:48 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Your Nightmare
I have faith in Jorgenson - but not an anonymous poster on an internet board. What I've seen myself indicates that Jogenson is not faulty - it is rather portions of different testimonies, letters, etc that are being taken out of context in order to assert something that Jorgenson is not asserting.

After all, why pick and choose sentences here and there from Jorgenson's words to attempt to construe an assertion rather than just getting the whole thing from Jorgenson?

Yes, the former chairman of Economics at harvard, the guy with the letters behind his name indicating that he is an expert - he far, far, far outweighs anyone on this forum, no matter how skilled at misrepresentation.

509 posted on 04/09/2006 5:54:36 PM PDT by Principled
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To: pigdog
You think there's such a thing as understandable gibberish???

You apparently do.

510 posted on 04/09/2006 5:59:11 PM PDT by eskimo (Political groupies - rabid defenders of the indefensible.)
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To: ancient_geezer; Zon

Iow, yes there would be an additional 30% (not 23%) tax ON "any government" employee's wages, salaries and benefits....Gee, that shouldn't amount to much. < /sarcasm >


511 posted on 04/09/2006 6:02:32 PM PDT by lewislynn (Fairtax = lies, hope, wishful thinking, conjecture and lies. (no it's not a mistake)
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To: eskimo
The politicians would have cover for creating more government by proclaiming tax enforcement is required that has the potential to be far worse than the present IRS,

How so? THe nrst only has business as filers - no individuals are filers. So how will it be worse if no individuals are tax filers? Besides, doesn't today's system already create cover for creating more gov't for tax enforcement? Hence your argument is not against any particular tax method, but is against gov't getting larger to enforce taxes. But since only business will face enforcment, not individuals, how will it be worse? Seems to me that by reducing the nuber of filers so drastically will make enforcement easier, not harder. Beyond that, no individuals will file - only business.

...every American who does not desire to be taxed excessively will be forced to beg an offsetting sum of money from government, they could simply manipulate prices when they wanted more money, etc.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Can you clarify?

512 posted on 04/09/2006 6:06:36 PM PDT by Principled
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To: lewislynn
What indicates to you that it would be "additional"?
513 posted on 04/09/2006 6:07:21 PM PDT by Principled
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To: lewislynn
So today, both the income tax and the flat tax tax government output.

Did you read this part?

514 posted on 04/09/2006 6:09:56 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
Yes, the former chairman of Economics at harvard, the guy with the letters behind his name indicating that he is an expert - he far, far, far outweighs anyone on this forum, no matter how skilled at misrepresentation.
I wasn't commenting on Jorgenson's believability, I was commenting on the AFT's. They are the ones who have (and continue to) misrepresent Jorgenson's work.
515 posted on 04/09/2006 6:11:11 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: lewislynn
If government ... enterprises are not subject to tax, they will have a huge relative price advantage over private companies...

Or this?

516 posted on 04/09/2006 6:12:04 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Your Nightmare
I wasn't commenting on Jorgenson's believability, I was commenting on the AFT's

My mistake.

517 posted on 04/09/2006 6:12:41 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
So today, both the income tax and the flat tax tax government output.
Did you read this part?
I read it and most of the rebuttal, including this part, makes no sense. How, exactly does the income tax or Flat Tax tax government output?
518 posted on 04/09/2006 6:17:51 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Your Nightmare
The income tax taxes income whether the source is government or the private sector, and by doing so, taxes government output.

While the government pays its employees a gross amount and then withholds the income tax from their paychecks,...

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

519 posted on 04/09/2006 6:19:38 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
What indicates to you that it would be "additional"?

LOL! Words.

What (words) indicates to you it wouldn't

520 posted on 04/09/2006 6:39:38 PM PDT by lewislynn (Fairtax = lies, hope, wishful thinking, conjecture and lies. (no it's not a mistake)
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