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Why intelligent design will change everything
WorldNetDaily ^ | March 25, 2006 | Lynn Barton

Posted on 03/29/2006 7:53:52 PM PST by SampleMan

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To: AndrewC

"Something that passes the Turing test."

Even though this has Turing's name attached to it it is not an objective scientific definition since it depends on opinion of a human observer. And in any case, how are you going to apply the Turing test to God?

"Plus you gave a credible one in your answer."

A good score on the SAT? Again, not likely applicable in this situation. And in any case, I'll be willing to throw the argument to the IDers if God shows up for an SAT test regardless of His score.

"Tell me what is the scientific definition of species?"

No idea. I am not a biologist; I am a computer scientist and mathematician. Anyways, I am not necessarily defending evolution and probably couldn't since I am not a biologist. However, I do have a strong background in computer science, artificial intelligence, probability, information theory, etc. which are relevant to many of the arguments that IDers are trying (incorrectly in my opinion) to use to give their position more of a scientific air; from what I have seen thus far, these arguments would only be convincing to non-experts and true-believers.


81 posted on 03/30/2006 3:01:05 AM PST by Avenger
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To: WKB

I didn't get beyond the personal ad hominems of Darwin.

If there was an actual argument in the post, the author should have made it before making the ad hominems.


82 posted on 03/30/2006 3:04:57 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: stands2reason

I didn't get beyond




Figgers!!


83 posted on 03/30/2006 3:06:12 AM PST by WKB (Take care not to make intellect our god; Albert Einstein)
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To: RaceBannon

Are you implying that the only thing people get emotional about is religion?


84 posted on 03/30/2006 3:08:54 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: AndrewC

"Something that passes the Turing test."

Note that a superior form of intelligence might appear like nonsense to our limited human intellect and thus the Turing test would prove inadequate for this reason also.


85 posted on 03/30/2006 3:10:01 AM PST by Avenger
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To: WKB

Nobody uses insults if they have a real point. The insult is the refuge of the person who has no argument. This fellow you quoted started off with insults. Why?



86 posted on 03/30/2006 3:12:04 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: WKB

If he's registered at FR, I'd be glad to ask. Otherwise, I have no interest in sharing any contact information, which I would have to do to get a response.


87 posted on 03/30/2006 3:12:59 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Then don't be asking me quesions I can't answer.


88 posted on 03/30/2006 3:16:00 AM PST by WKB (Take care not to make intellect our god; Albert Einstein)
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To: stands2reason

This fellow you quoted started off with insults. Why?



I guess you would have to ask HIM that question.


89 posted on 03/30/2006 3:17:38 AM PST by WKB (Take care not to make intellect our god; Albert Einstein)
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To: WKB
Then don't be asking me quesions I can't answer.

I didn't, you old grouch.

90 posted on 03/30/2006 3:22:35 AM PST by Ken H
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To: nmh
When the evolutionists pile on that's when the thread deteriorates. They get down right NASTY.

It appears the first ad hominem goes to the anti-evolution crowd. Go figure.

91 posted on 03/30/2006 3:28:01 AM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: AntiGuv
Nice post.

Here's the kicker -- each of those examples is perhaps a proof (or suggestion) of evolution by chance and then "natural selection" (whatever that is). Yet each of those examples is much more lkely a proof (or suggestion) of evolving design and/or evolving purpose reflected in design.

The design, of course, by Intelligent agents.

92 posted on 03/30/2006 3:34:06 AM PST by bvw
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To: SampleMan

bookmark for later


93 posted on 03/30/2006 3:37:55 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: bvw
Not necessarily. If those examples are "proof" of a naturalistic, undirected process, introducing an unknown designer into the mix is an unnecessary complication (Occam's razor, and all that).

What ID needs is a specific prediction only it can make that would preclude the naturalistic theory.

94 posted on 03/30/2006 3:42:18 AM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: KeepUSfree
"And it's "sheer immpossible" for man to fly or go to the moon.
Yet, somehow, we did it....and we are a long way from Gods.

Don't let your personal mental limitations definte the limits of what is and what can be....

With an attitude like that, we'd still be living in trees...."

With comparative logic like yours ... I'm not surprised we are tanking in worldwide math and science scores. The worst part of it is, YOU don't see how illogical your analogies are to the issue.
95 posted on 03/30/2006 4:14:03 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: nmh; Junior
It appears the first ad hominem goes to the anti-evolution crowd. Go figure.



I like hominy but I like grits a whole lot more.
96 posted on 03/30/2006 4:22:15 AM PST by WKB (Take care not to make intellect our god; Albert Einstein)
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To: Ken H

I didn't, you old grouch.



I'll have you know I am not old. :>)


97 posted on 03/30/2006 4:23:16 AM PST by WKB (Take care not to make intellect our god; Albert Einstein)
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To: SampleMan
...they simply dismiss I.D. theory

It easy to dismiss ID because it's not even a theory.

98 posted on 03/30/2006 4:24:15 AM PST by Rudder
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To: steve-b
This is but one of many nonsensical assertions contained in this essay. Every fertilized egg has a few transcription errors and mutations amongst its many thousands of genes. If this claim were correct, every last embryo would die before it got past the blob-of-cells stage.

I'm continually amazed that these ID/evolution threads are so full of hamfisted posts like yours. You aren't comparing apples and oranges. The correct question is, can you remove (not modify) any single element of a simple single cell and still have anything? If not, then a logical question is, "Did all of these elements have to come together at once for life to start, or is there something we're missing?" Barring missing something, you then might ask, is this possible? This might be where you are presented with the million monkeys, typing for a million years, will eventually write a complete version of Hamlet. On the other hand, you are faced with a natural human urge to see intent in wild statistical anomolies, like being a lottery winner or being born Paris Hilton.

The ID argument as I understand it (and I'm not a proponent) is that the "simplist" structure cannot be reduced to anything worthwhile.

For all of the blowing about ID not being scientific, I rarely see anything scientific disputing it. Now that I've read up on ID, it would be nice to see more than, "ID isn't science." Then your input could actually contribute to people forming an opinion.

If you want people to take you seriously, you should engage in the discussion instead of pretending that you are above it.

My interest in the subject is based on an interest in discovery and science, a belief that there is a substantial element of mutation which isn't yet understood, and a fascination with the absolute rage that nonconformity throws into self-described scientific people.

As I kept getting accused of being an ID adherent, I went and read an article on it so I would at least know what I'm being accused of. Then I posted it to reaffirm my belief that a nonsensical attack would commence. By all means disagree, but be sensical if you can.

I don't believe in UFO's, but I take a reasonable approach and tone in disputing them. I've also been accused of being a troll, but I just posted the "Mad Dog" sign. I didn't force anyone to stand under it.

99 posted on 03/30/2006 4:38:01 AM PST by SampleMan
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To: RHINO369

You need to reread my post I do believe, as you appear to misunderstand what I said.


100 posted on 03/30/2006 4:41:52 AM PST by SampleMan
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