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To: robertpaulsen

I see most of the anti War on drug people on this thread do not seem to get it. Maybe it is because Marijuana use dulls the mind and ambition, and makes everything groovy. They claim that there is no harm to recreational use and think it is fine to smoke dope, or crack, or do percoset,xanax, you name it as long as they are not working. This is so sick, it does unfathomable damage to society. They think that there is no harm in getting so stoned you lie in the middle of the road for some poor unsuspecting citizen to accidentally run over and kill, or yeah decriminalize drugs and the next plane you take may be piloted by someone not drunk like in some instances, but stoned out of their minds. Are you going to ask the pilots to tinkle in a cup to analyze before he climbs into the cockpit? How about the train Engineer? How about your 7 year old daughter's school bus driver? How about the man that works in a Nuke Plant? Enough? How about a Police Officer wannabe Security Guard with a gun? Without Drugs being illegal and felonies, you cannot punish anyone. How about the President of the United states like a dope smoking Algore with their hand close to the Nuclear Button? People who do drugs should not be anywhere in society but curled up in their little beddy bye with their blankie. People that do not do drugs are clear headed, and can tell when someone is stoned in a heartbeat. If you are stoned, or a "little" high you do not see things clearly at all,and people laugh at you because you sound like you have Alzheimer's disease because you repeat yourself and forget whatever the hell you were talking about. In the workplace, you have no ambition except to get home to get high again and you think this is recreational. In that same workplace others see what a yutz you are but feel sorry for a poor doper, and do some of your neglected work for you,but eventually the Boss finds out and you are gone. You are supposed to babysit your infant son while your wife shops, and instead smoke dope and fall asleep, and what happens to your baby? Enough...................denial is not a River in Egypt.


253 posted on 03/29/2006 1:27:17 PM PST by samantha (cheer up, the adults are in charge! Soldier in Bucket Brigade Reporting for Duty.)
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To: samantha

Take a breath, lady.

And put down the Koolaid jug!


256 posted on 03/29/2006 1:30:18 PM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: samantha; Wolfie
I see most of the anti War on drug people on this thread do not seem to get it.

You're going to have to do better than this, darling. This isn't even FR WoD Thread 101-level.

Maybe it is because Marijuana use dulls the mind and ambition, and makes everything groovy.

To paraphrase my friend Wolfie, time for this unambitious pothead to stand down for the day from his high-tech job, for which he is well-compensated, and hop into his luxury SUV for the drive home to the suburbs . . . !

262 posted on 03/29/2006 1:34:47 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: samantha

hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhaahhaha...thanks for this moment of profound laughter~!! Please tell me why a pilot would go driving a plane totally stoned??? It shows you never took drugs, and therefor is not totally clear between the 2 ears!!! Most of your post is total BS! a 7 year old getting stoned!! does a pilot take legal prescription drug before going on a plane???
you posted : Without Drugs being illegal and felonies, you cannot punish anyone...what the heck are you talking about>? if someone is totally drunk and drive we can arrest him right?? Okay i'll reveal a scoop...i ve been a really heavy user of pot for numerous years, and guess what i am only 19 and maybe paid better than you do because i am doing the work of other fat bastard are too lazy to do...also yes there are some addicted, and it's normal, but not everybody!! there is more people who do drugs than you think lil lady and most of the drug user are wise enough to shut them off! a lot of drug user are responsible...and i am making more fun of drunk people than stoned people because stoned people are more profound than most of sober people...they saw an angle of life that you don't even know because you are too afraid...you need help seriously...


278 posted on 03/29/2006 3:10:45 PM PST by davesdude
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To: samantha

oh and by the way i see more drunk people lying in thew middle of the street than any other kind of mind altered people!!!

please tell me, why are you guys so afraid of drugs? are you afraid to be weak? are you jealous because you would become addicted to the drug while some doesn't? do you really believe what the government tells you about the drugs?? i read all of 200 and something post and yet non of the arguments gives the right to throw somebody in prison for exploring other horizons...


if drugs were legal, the truth would finally come out and addicted would know better about the drugs and would gain a lil more confidence in the government, and then would seek "help"...they would know a lil more why they are addicted and they would feel a lil more understood, and than it would be easier to kick the health deterioring habit...what ever the dryg you take if you don't abuse, there is strickly no problem about it... i tried heroin but only because i was aware of the concequences, same with coke and a lot more...but my parents always were behind me, instead of telling me only their point of view, and i never had any problems! I was a heavy user of pot because, opposed to whatever belief, i could still fonction normally in society and i am still... being stoned on pot i could still drive (and even better because i knew i was driving stoned as opposed to drunk people who thinks they are still fine) i could still do my work totally baked and i have a really technical job that requires memorisation, i could still cook, play with children, play guitar, pay my rent, and on and on...

so give me a break with those stereotype and go read some post on http://www.erowid.org/ which is a site where people tell their experiences with different drugs...listen to addicts or stoner instead of bashing on them, some have already bashed on enough...it is a lot more soul satisfying to listen than to impose your own point of view...it will open your mind a lil more, unless your afraid to open it...or you don't have a clue of what a im talking about in reference to "mind"


279 posted on 03/29/2006 3:29:11 PM PST by davesdude
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To: samantha
Without Drugs being illegal and felonies, you cannot punish anyone.

Really? So I can get drunk, go driving, and not have to worry about being punished if I get caught, or if I cause some damage in a crash (I refuse to call it an "accident, when a drunk drives and causes damage).

You can use a legal substance, then do something illegal, and still be punished.

Mark

291 posted on 03/29/2006 4:13:08 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: samantha
I see most of the anti War on drug people on this thread do not seem to get it. Maybe it is because Marijuana use dulls the mind and ambition, and makes everything groovy. They claim that there is no harm to recreational use and think it is fine to smoke dope, or crack, or do percoset,xanax, you name it as long as they are not working. This is so sick, it does unfathomable damage to society. They think that there is no harm in getting so stoned you lie in the middle of the road for some poor unsuspecting citizen to accidentally run over and kill, or yeah decriminalize drugs and the next plane you take may be piloted by someone not drunk like in some instances, but stoned out of their minds. Are you going to ask the pilots to tinkle in a cup to analyze before he climbs into the cockpit? How about the train Engineer? How about your 7 year old daughter's school bus driver? How about the man that works in a Nuke Plant? Enough? How about a Police Officer wannabe Security Guard with a gun? Without Drugs being illegal and felonies, you cannot punish anyone. How about the President of the United states like a dope smoking Algore with their hand close to the Nuclear Button? People who do drugs should not be anywhere in society but curled up in their little beddy bye with their blankie. People that do not do drugs are clear headed, and can tell when someone is stoned in a heartbeat. If you are stoned, or a "little" high you do not see things clearly at all,and people laugh at you because you sound like you have Alzheimer's disease because you repeat yourself and forget whatever the hell you were talking about. In the workplace, you have no ambition except to get home to get high again and you think this is recreational. In that same workplace others see what a yutz you are but feel sorry for a poor doper, and do some of your neglected work for you,but eventually the Boss finds out and you are gone. You are supposed to babysit your infant son while your wife shops, and instead smoke dope and fall asleep, and what happens to your baby? Enough...................denial is not a River in Egypt.

This is probably one of the biggest trash arguments in favor of the drug war that I've ever read.

I oppose the war on drugs, and I've never used a single "illegal" substance in my life. No marijuana, no rocks, nothing. My roommate in college was the biggest pothead in the universe, yet I still didn't do it. According to your reasoning, I, as a drug war opponent, must be using these substances. Such reasoning falls flat on its face.

Furthermore, I do not claim that there is no harm to recreational use. Again, another one of your faulty assumptions about folks who oppose this ludicrous war on drugs. These substances are very harmful, but you know what? There's idiots out there who want to do these substances anyway. These select idiots will obtain these substances, no matter what the government does.

We might as well end this stupid war, and let the idiots be the idiots. Tax the hell out of the substances, step up penalties for public use, allow employers to use more drug testing in employment decisions, condition government welfare programs on drug rehab or no drug use conditions, and eventually people will either wisen up or destroy themselves. And if they want to destroy themselves, so be it.

It is not the role of the government to prevent idiots from being idiots. That is an impossible endeavor, and should not even be attempted. Sadly, however, it already has been attempted in this stupid war on drugs.

Your arguments fall flat on their face, even when it comes to your examples of the type of negligence that people using drugs could commit. People can commit the same type of negligence right now with alcohol, yet you don't see calls for banning alcohol anymore. Why? Because it failed miserably- just like drug prohibition has.

327 posted on 03/29/2006 7:56:10 PM PST by SunnyD1182
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