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Rethinking The Drug War (John Stossel Hits Home Run In Argument Against Futile WOD Alert)
Townhall.com ^ | 03/29/06 | John Stossel

Posted on 03/28/2006 10:51:21 PM PST by goldstategop

Getting high can be bad. Putting people in prison for it is worse. And doing the latter doesn't stop the former.

I was once among the majority who believe that drug use must be illegal. But then I noticed that when vice laws conflict with the law of supply and demand, the conflict is ugly, and the law of supply and demand generally wins.

The drug war costs taxpayers about $40 billion. "Up to three quarters of our budget can somehow be traced back to fighting this war on drugs," said Jerry Oliver, then chief of police in Detroit, told me. Yet the drugs are as available as ever.

Oliver was once a big believer in the war. Not anymore. "It's insanity to keep doing the same thing over and over again," he says. "If we did not have this drug war going on, we could spend more time going after robbers and rapists and burglars and murderers. That's what we really should be geared up to do. Clearly we're losing the war on drugs in this country."

No, we're "winning," according to the federal Drug Enforcement Administration, which might get less money if people thought it was losing. Prosecutors hold news conferences announcing the "biggest seizure ever." But what they confiscate makes little difference. We can't even keep drugs out of prisons -- do we really think we can keep them out of all of America?

Even as the drug war fails to reduce the drug supply, many argue that there are still moral reasons to fight the war. "When we fight against drugs, we fight for the souls of our fellow Americans," said President Bush. But the war destroys American souls, too. America locks up a higher percentage of her people than almost any other country. Nearly 4,000 people are arrested every day for mere possession of drugs. That's more people than are arrested for aggravated assault, burglary, vandalism, forcible rape and murder combined.

Authorities say that warns people not to mess with drugs, and that's a critical message to send to America's children. "Protecting the children" has justified many intrusive expansions of government power. Who wants to argue against protecting children?

I have teenage kids. My first instinct is to be glad cocaine and heroin are illegal. It means my kids can't trot down to the local drugstore to buy something that gets them high. Maybe that would deter them.

Or maybe not. The law certainly doesn't prevent them from getting the drugs. Kids say illegal drugs are no harder to get than alcohol.

Perhaps a certain percentage of Americans will use or abuse drugs -- no matter what the law says.

I cannot know. What I do know now, however, are some of the unintended consequences of drug prohibition:

1. More crime. Rarely do people get high and then run out to commit crimes. Most "drug crime" happens because the product is illegal. Since drug sellers can't rely on the police to protect their property, they form gangs and arm themselves. Drug buyers steal to pay the high black market prices. The government says alcohol is as addictive as heroin, but no one is knocking over 7-Elevens to get Budweiser.

2. More terrorism. The profits of the drug trade fund terrorists from Afghanistan to Colombia. Our herbicide-spraying planes teach South American farmers to hate America.

3. Richer criminal gangs. Alcohol prohibition created Al Capone. The gangs drug prohibition is creating are even richer, probably rich enough to buy nuclear weapons. Osama bin Laden was funded partly by drug money.

Government's declaring drugs illegal doesn't mean people can't get them. It just creates a black market, where even nastier things happen. That's why I have come to think that although drug addiction is bad, the drug war is worse.


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To: mugs99
You wrote, "Taking a right from one who has taken no right from you has a destructive effect on the freedom of the people as a whole."

I'll let the insults slide; that sort of tit-for-tat holds no interest for me, although being likened to Mussolini is certainly, er, original, and tempts me to respond in kind, but no matter. None of your historical counterarguments hold weight. The tax revolt marking the end of the Caliphate was a culmination of longterm decay and dissolution. The Dark Ages were the result of the decline of the last vestiges of the Roman empire, not religious persecution. If anything, it was the Church which did the most to preserve knowledge, not suppress it. Opium use in China contributed to its downfall. 'Freedom' exercised in a free society--by any rational definition--is not unbounded license to do as one pleases.

You talk about the right to self-determination. Historically, that right refers to whole peoples, nations, not individuals. Constitutionally, in our country, individuals have the right to 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.' This does not mean that commonsense constraints placed upon individual behavior are violations of those rights. I gather your right of individual self-determination is extracted from the pages of the Constitution in much the same way as 'the right to choose'. The logic is questionable in both cases.

One right you libertarian types can exercise is the right to vote. I can't wait until the next major election, when Libertarian candidates sweep the field--you know, because the logic of the libertarian position is so flawlessly indisputable, the appeal of its platform so irresistible, the raw charisma of its candidates so downright unstoppable.
301 posted on 03/29/2006 5:52:34 PM PST by Rembrandt_fan
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To: budwiesest
I can think of none so corrosive to individual liberty than the WOsD.

Drugs are freedom. More drugs, more freedom.

302 posted on 03/29/2006 5:53:35 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Laws are freedom. More laws, more freedom.


303 posted on 03/29/2006 6:02:34 PM PST by budwiesest (The law of the jungle has yet to be overturned.)
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To: budwiesest
"Let this be the distinctive mark of an American that in cases of commotion, he enlists himself under no man's banner, inquires for no man's name, but repairs to the standard of the laws. Do this, and you need never fear anarchy or tyranny. Your government will be perpetual." --Thomas Jefferson
Send me a postcard from Somolia.
304 posted on 03/29/2006 6:04:58 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Lady Jag

The Dutch obviously don't get screwed over by their own government...


305 posted on 03/29/2006 6:06:38 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Mojave
Nice quote. Sounds like Tommy J. would prefer Americans follow the law (constitution?) as a remedy to 'commotion'(s) (such as our recent illegal immigrant crisis, ex.) to avoid anarchy or tyranny. Sage advice.

Not sure where one is to insert the desire to legislate personal behavior (Talibinarian) laws. Repelling invasion could easily be defined as within their authority.

306 posted on 03/29/2006 6:20:06 PM PST by budwiesest (The law of the jungle has yet to be overturned.)
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To: budwiesest
Sounds like Tommy J. would prefer Americans follow the law (constitution?)

The dopers don't like that idea at all.

307 posted on 03/29/2006 6:28:16 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Rembrandt_fan
You talk about the right to self-determination.
Historically, that right refers to whole peoples, nations, not individuals.


In our Constitution that refers to the rights of the people in each of the several states...The federal Ggovernment does not have the power to wage a drug war.

'Freedom' exercised in a free society--by any rational definition--is not unbounded license to do as one pleases.

That is exactly what freedom means, as long as that person takes no right from you while enjoying his freedom.

you libertarian types

LOL!
Save me the sermon, preacher man. I'm an originalist who defends the Constitution. Why don't you just say Libertine instead of the pc libertarian type? Our Republic was founded by Libertines and I will remain true to their vision of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness for all...even you.
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308 posted on 03/29/2006 6:32:11 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Mojave
Neither do gun owners, when half the crap at the federal level is unconstitutional. We're getting Commerce Claused to death out here in the heartland. "Pursuit of happiness" has a nice ring to it.

BTW, where's that postcard you were going to send me from Iran? ;^)

309 posted on 03/29/2006 6:36:59 PM PST by budwiesest (The law of the jungle has yet to be overturned.)
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To: goldstategop
Words from law enforcement officers that worked in the trenches. 

http://leap.cc/audiovideo/LEAPpromo.htm 12 minute video introduction. Powerful

The most cognizant way to handle the drug problem I've heard: [Video] Jack Cole Audio/Video presentation of "END PROHIBITION NOW!"

[Video] Peter Christ, Rotary Club Presentation, Stockbridge Massachusetts.  Peter Christ, a retired LEO and founder of LEAP.

Drug legalization reduces the violent crime problem. Education and outreach address the drug problem. 

310 posted on 03/29/2006 6:41:41 PM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: budwiesest
Neither do gun owners

Bovine scat. Don't lump gun owners in with the dopers and anarchists.

311 posted on 03/29/2006 6:45:13 PM PST by Mojave
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To: SunnyD1182

My question is this: who are the people that are actually supporting this nonsense?

The same politicians who want to grant amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants. They are all out of touch and on thev take.

Do not vote for any incumbent. They must be taught to listen.


312 posted on 03/29/2006 6:46:42 PM PST by satan
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To: Mojave
Don't lump gun owners in with the dopers

The same Commerce Clause that applies to dopers applies to guns. When you lose your right to own a gun it will be done using the Commerce Clause and the Authoritarians will cheer gun prohibition the same as they cheered drug prohibition.
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313 posted on 03/29/2006 7:02:57 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Mojave

King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.



Dennis: Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you.



Dennis: Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.


314 posted on 03/29/2006 7:02:59 PM PST by budwiesest (The law of the jungle has yet to be overturned.)
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To: mugs99
The same Commerce Clause that applies to dopers applies to guns.

99%+ of pot possession arrests are made by the states. You return to your equation of dope and the right to keep and bear arms as surely as a dog returns to its vomit.

315 posted on 03/29/2006 7:05:23 PM PST by Mojave
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To: budwiesest

You can cut and paste Monty Python. Wow.


316 posted on 03/29/2006 7:06:56 PM PST by Mojave
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To: goldstategop
I have absolutely no problem legalizing drugs so long as you guarantee that a felony committed under the influence will trigger the death penalty.

Unfortunately, most of the same people who seem to be against the war on drugs are equally opposed to using the death penalty to protect the innocent members of society.
317 posted on 03/29/2006 7:07:37 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Mojave

I apologize if the comparison between the 'lording' over the states by our Fed and this scene failed to provide entertainment value. My bad.


318 posted on 03/29/2006 7:19:06 PM PST by budwiesest (The law of the jungle has yet to be overturned.)
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To: budwiesest
My bad.

Apology accepted.

319 posted on 03/29/2006 7:22:22 PM PST by Mojave
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To: goldstategop

The war on drugs has always been bogus.

They never gained control of the border, how the heck did they ever hope to gain control of the street level drug traffic.

It's all a big farce.


320 posted on 03/29/2006 7:26:30 PM PST by servantboy777
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