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.....there is NO chance that you will win on the border enforcement issue. No chance whatsoever. Only after a migrant worker program passes, making most of these illegal aliens legal, is there any chance at all to have meaningful border enforcement.

Puke, it's amazing how wrong you can be.
This is not the first time round this particular issue for us grownups. We did it most recently in the Reagan Administration.
Once a guest worker program or amnesty is set up, why poof say the politicians, there is no illegal alien problem anymore, so why spend money on border security. Thus we start round the circle again. That is why we know better than to accept this 'solution' again.

On the other hand, once the borders are secured then almost everyone can accept almost any solution to the problem of the current illegal aliens, because with the border sealed it's a one time thing. And once illegal immigration is stopped, and the status of illegals now here regularized, the extent of the true need for guest workers will become evident and a program to supply and control them can be knocked to gether in weeks.

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