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To: jla
You seem to be taking a beating on this thread.

Yeah? So?

I call them as I see them. The phone rang the moment I posted this, so I was away.

What I hope happens, is that after Bush wins on this, angry FReepers will finally wake up to the notion that we do not reflect popular opinion. Whether we like it or not, the country is a lot more moderate than we are. It is still a Conservative country for the most part, but it does not reflect the overall Conservative prevailing view. This issue should prove that once and for all, and when it does, I'll be whipping out my "I told you so" list yet again.

139 posted on 03/27/2006 10:29:07 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache, so don't be hatin'. LOL!)
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To: Pukin Dog

Welcome back, Dog. Some people seem to think that conservatism is a political suicide pact.


145 posted on 03/27/2006 10:30:48 AM PST by zook
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To: Pukin Dog
Bush won't win. Even if an amnesty/guest worker program passes, it won't be a win.

The program, like all it's predecessors is doomed to fail.

You can't have any amnesty/guest worker program without tough enforcement first.

Bush loses regardless of the out come. He's backed himself into a corner he can't get out of.
151 posted on 03/27/2006 10:32:35 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Pukin Dog
Pukin Dog, you have to know that I respect you so much.

That said, where do you get the idea that this forum does not reflect popular opinion against Illegal immigration?

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162 posted on 03/27/2006 10:34:49 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Pukin Dog
More status quo propaganda.

You where wrong about the DPW/UAE terminal deal and you're gonna be wrong about this issue too. There is nothing politically conservative about allowing illegal immigration to continue unabated. America has been invaded by some 12-15 million illegal aliens over the last 20 years. More are coming every day. These illegals are criminals. What was once a misdemeanor should be made a felony. Simple as that. If PresBush wants to veto such a bill, fine. A Bush veto will not help Republicans get elected this November. American public opinion is opposed to illegal immigration. Americans want the borders secured and employers who violate US law punished for hiring illegals.

189 posted on 03/27/2006 10:41:25 AM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Pukin Dog
Yeah? So?

It was merely an observation, I wasn't being judgmental.

What I hope happens, is that after Bush wins on this, angry FReepers will finally wake up to the notion that we do not reflect popular opinion. Whether we like it or not, the country is a lot more moderate than we are.

I think most Americans would say that they are against illegal immigrants, and those Mexican illegals are getting the attention because of their numbers and Mexico's proximity to our border.
There will always be certain factions who will turn a blind eye at the issue though. For example, a lot of Americans of Irish descent think it's ok if Irish are here illegally, but illegal Irish are few in comparison so nobody really notices them.

It is still a Conservative country for the most part, but it does not reflect the overall Conservative prevailing view. This issue should prove that once and for all, and when it does, I'll be whipping out my "I told you so" list yet again.

What is, in your opinion, the prevailing conservative view and that of the rest of the country?

Many of your posts seem to be motivated by the potential opportunity for you to later say "I told you so". Why is this? (now I am being judgmental).

252 posted on 03/27/2006 10:56:06 AM PST by jla
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To: Pukin Dog

Your "I told you so" list has only wrong predictions....stop whipping it out again and again. Looks like you forgot the spetacular failure of your predictions on the DPW deal. Some of us have better memories than you.


295 posted on 03/27/2006 11:06:39 AM PST by indcons (The MSM - Mainstream Slime Merchants)
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To: Pukin Dog
Pukin Prognostications for 2006

1. A coalition of combined NATO member forces will destroy Iran’s nuclear capability against the wishes of the U.N. Security counsel, who in private supports the action. Iran will respond by launching conventional missile attacks against Israel, convincing the U.S. Congress to sell the F-22 Raptor to the Israelis and Aussies. Iraq provides logistical assistance in the attack. Confidence = 8

Yet to be determined.

2. Congressman John Murtha is indicted on corruption charges after having failed to insulate himself from federal prosecution by becoming a darling of the anti-war Left. Murtha and other Democrats label the indictment as a payback against an outspoken critic of the war, but the Feds have an air-tight case. Confidence = 8

Yet to be determined, though not very likely to occur.

3. Justice Samuel Alito is confirmed with 62 yes-votes to the Supreme Court. Riots and Sit-ins are conducted throughout the Alito hearings, with Democrats in Congress meeting with the protesters on a nightly basis, each looking to bolster their image with the nut-bag Left. Confidence = 9+

Alito confirmed with 58 votes.

4. Congressman Tom Delay is cleared of all charges and resumes his place as Majority leader after a nasty public battle with Congressman Pence for the role. Speaker Denny Hastert; damaged after the Abramoff scandals considers retiring from public life. Democrats make Delay’s return the centerpiece of their 2006 election campaigns. Confidence = 7+

RE: DeLay - Yet to be determined
RE: Hastert - Not very likely to occur.

5. Congress retroactively rolls back the Alternative Minimum Tax, Passes the extended Patriot Act, and Passes a decent Illegal Immigration Bill with VP Dick Cheney providing the swing vote on two of the three issues. Confidence = 8+

Yet to be determined.

6. President Bush addresses the Iraqi Parliament IN PERSON in Iraq, and is seen as the individual to quell a rising desire among some for an Iraqi civil war. Bush’s approval rating reaches above 60% and remains so through the 2006 elections. Confidence = 8

Yet to be determined.

7. The Republican Senate falls one vote shy of a veto-proof majority after upset wins in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and New Hampshire, and the special election in Nevada to replace Senator Harry Reid, who resigned in disgrace over the Abramoff debacle. Confidence = 7

Yet to be determined.
Reid resignation, (a/c "Abramoff debacle"), not very likely to occur.

8. The Republican Congress passes authorization for drilling in ANWR, sparking violent protests and liberal threats of violence against oil workers in Alaska who work on the project. Multiple environmental impact lawsuits are launched in a last-ditch attempt to prevent drilling from taking place. Confidence = 8+

Yet to be determined.

9. The F-22 Raptor sees combat over the skies of Iran and Syria clearing the skies for coalition aircraft protecting the Iraqi borders. The U.S.S. Ronald Reagan becomes a fixture in the Persian Gulf after Al Qaeda declares war against the Saudi Royal Family. In exchange for NATO protection, the price of crude oil falls below $30 per gallon. The U.S. Economy explodes, protecting Conservative seats in Congress and providing a few upsets as well. Confidence = 7

USS Ronald Reagan currently in Persian Gulf; Al Qaeda attack on Saudi oil facility last month.
The rest: Yet to be determined.

10. President Bush announces his agenda for his final two years in Washington will be to finally replace the current U.S. Tax code with a simpler, more private process. Flat tax and VAT are discussed, with a modified Flat tax becoming the proposed plan presented to Congress. Confidence = 7

Yet to be determined.

11. Republicans are going to PICK UP SEATS in the November elections. We are not going to lose the House, nor are we going to lose the Senate. In fact, in the Senate, we might actually gain a 60 seat majority.

Yet to be determined.


PD...Since you cover immigration in Prognostication #5 could you provide your definition of "a decent Illegal Immigration Bill"?

361 posted on 03/27/2006 11:33:50 AM PST by jla
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