Posted on 03/27/2006 9:53:41 AM PST by Pukin Dog
That is a problem with us pubs - we tend to act like a dog with a bone.
Sometimes we need to remember that the mighty oak is the tree that can still be standing after the storm BECAUSE it was smart enough to bend a little.
So, folks, you want 3/4's of the pie - or demand all and lose all?
(hey, Pukin, you should copy paste this into every post on the issue - paste it over and over)
exactly.
Gonna do that and get the fence up and keep any more from coming in - (a problem that has been going on for decades) before elections?
This tendency to never bend an inch is the one thing that loses us many the race. It's the same as, over and over, we put up candidates, not because they are the best or have the better chance of winning but because "it's their turn."
If we could tone down these two systemic problems in the party - we'd be so far out ahead, we'd be on our way back in
Is it a matter of "principles" or knowing when to bend a little in order to still be in charge, to feint to the side a bit, and win the battle in the long run...
Giving up the battlefield has never been much of a strategy
Yep
Hmmm - seems Pukin stated his premise in a reasoned, level way -
maybe you're referring to some of the answers?
you noticed that too? ;o)
Reading through these responses, I have to keep reminding myself I haven't somehow slipped into a DU site
It's the last straw for a party and a president who had the chance to truly make a difference for the future of America.
Instead, the bush legacy will be one of a sell out to the globalist profiteers who will gleefully continue their looting of the US economy.
Do you want to be right, or do you want to win?
Right.
There is no alternative.
Perhaps you missed the part where Pukin wrote: "
"I live in San Diego County, and I see the problems with illegal immigration on a daily basis"
perfect example of what appears to be a lot of knee-jerk thinking going on here.
It reminds me of the actions/words of the libs that are more a result of hate driven response that clouds rational thinking
- it was getting mighty lonesome in here . Have to plow through a lot of threads to find the few that are being written by someone that doesn't seem to have steam coming outta their ears :o(
Sure hope the % of folk like you and Xjarhead and pukin are in the majority come election.
US: We stand together or we fall apart."m.t.
Together with whom? The President and his illegal-loving, Constitution-ignoring, big-spending cohorts have chosen decisively and unambiguously not to stand with me, despite my having been a solid voter and financial contributor. When I find who I get to stand together with, believe me, there will be none more loyal.
Are you trying to impress us with your intelligent, rational thinking processes?
And if you shoot yourself in the foot and give the field to the enemy - thereby loosing the war...what have you won?
Dems will win if we don't hang together - too much of this debate, even here tonight, is being decided in irrational anger which leads one to shoot themselves in the foot.
We have a much bigger problem that we will lose on, forever, if we let the dems win while we have a hissy fit.
You want us to shoot ourselves in the foot, let the libs win, let them pull out of the middle east - then get ready for a world plunged into a war like we've never seen - and we will have much of the battles nd bloodshed right here on our home-front.
We have a BIGGER enemy on the flanks right now, folks.
"US: Together we stand or we fall apart" m.t.
Amen
Are you suggesting we should pretend it isn't a factor?
If you want to go the low route, shall we talk about people wanting illegals here so that they can save money on lawn care and get home construction done on the cheap, rather than hire Americans who have to pay taxes and don't live 25 to a house?
It's not racism to not want to be overrun by a foreign population and a foreign culture. If you want to prevent a productive discussion of the merits of various policies, please continue to play the race card. The reality is that legal Hispanics are first in line to want the illegals out, because they're the first to be mistaken for one.
>>Balkanization will be the norm in this country one day.<<
In California, we are already there !
A trend that was obvious since 1991 !
Wrong metaphor. Yours assumes you should never have been on the battlefield in the first place. You also conveniently ignored the other part of my question. Once the Republicans have finished giving up every principle, just to save their precious "party," how will they be any different than their opposition? At that point it simply becomes a matter of which football team you like or what color shirt you wear.
Machiavellianism and triangulation are for people with weak minds and weaker character.
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