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Bush: Outsourcing painful, but remedy is worse
CNN.com ^ | Friday, March 3, 2006 Posted: 1640 GMT (0040 HKT)

Posted on 03/04/2006 2:25:11 PM PST by Gengis Khan

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To: ScreamingFist

hear, hear!!


41 posted on 03/04/2006 3:18:19 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (UAE-- Funds HAMAS and CAIR, check my homepage [UPDATED FREQUENTLY])
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To: MNJohnnie
MNJonnie is a TROLL
42 posted on 03/04/2006 3:18:39 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: MNJohnnie
Maybe it is this fudemental inability to evolve

Yes I am stuck in the past. I am stuck with the United States Constitution. You "free traders" however are trying to force everyone to "evolve" into a system that does not respect individual rights, our sovereign rights as citizens, nor our form of government.

And no, capitalism isn't the best economic system, free enterprise is. Free enterprise is what made America a strong and free country and you sir are advocating the overthrow of that system with a global system of corporatist/fascism.
43 posted on 03/04/2006 3:20:00 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: TomGuy

The elitists in the administration are in the pockets of the robber barons who pay to run the campaign ads and mailings that scare the sheep into voting and contributing lest the demon-rats sweep into office. On the other hand clintoon did his own very special brand of damage to the nation, the lewinskis in the oval office and the give away of missle guidance secrets to the communist chinese come to mind... Neither party is looking out for the middle class of this nation. Its death by a thousand cuts from within from here to the end...


44 posted on 03/04/2006 3:22:11 PM PST by brainstem223
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To: snugs

Ever heard of reverse engineering? If China can figure out how to manfacture it, uaually by using American provided tools & control systems, they can figure how to design it & similar goods themselves.


45 posted on 03/04/2006 3:22:37 PM PST by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name! And the White House has a fence around it!)
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To: Lorianne
I agree with Bush. We cannot wall off our economy any longer. It's a new world. Compete or fall by the wayside. It's harsh but it's the reality.

The US had a great run, because of two things. First, WWII left most of the industrialized world in shambles, and the US had it's infrastructure intact. It took years for Europe and Asia to recover. Also, most of the rest of the world was engaged in that failed experiment called "socialism" and other centrally-planned economies. We ate their lunch.

Fast forward to the end of the Cold War. Now the world starts to wake up and get that capitalism is indeed the way to go. So, now the gap between the US and the rest of the world has finally started to close a bit.

But here is the good news. The US still has the freest economy in the world, and as long as it does, we will remain dominant. It doesn't mean it's not going to be painful at times, I myself have experienced some of that pain. But Americans never backed down from competition, and they won't back down now. And we know that messing with the invisible hand always leads to disastrous results.

46 posted on 03/04/2006 3:22:39 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Shermy

Bush did get a deal from the Indians, they got nuclear reactors we got bushels of mangoes.


47 posted on 03/04/2006 3:23:45 PM PST by brainstem223
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To: Gengis Khan

The US government doesn't owe you a job. I was in IT for over twenty years and after several layoffs I went back to school. I now have a new career in the medical field and love it. If I can do it, anyone can. Or y'all can sit around and whine and cry about how the world isn't fair. Jeez, I thought only liberals whined about the government owing them something.


48 posted on 03/04/2006 3:24:11 PM PST by CheezyD
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To: All

There is a handful of very recent active posters trying to turn FR into a liberal supporting website. In general just ignore these folks who advocate policies and processes that will result in Democrats coming to power to dictate the lives of your family and neighbors.

The only way to stop this is to send money to GOP candidates in vulnerable districts. You can rest assured that they will be the rightward most leaning candidates in those races who are viable.


49 posted on 03/04/2006 3:26:22 PM PST by Owen
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To: brainstem223
Bush did get a deal from the Indians, they got nuclear reactors we got bushels of mangoes.

"You can't hava The Mango."

50 posted on 03/04/2006 3:29:09 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: MNJohnnie
MNJonnie is a troll!

Everytime I see your name , I'll post this. Tell your handlers they should go with subtle instead of brute force...you're outed BABY!

51 posted on 03/04/2006 3:30:54 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: TomGuy

Even Bill Clinton didn't do this much damage to the Nation. It will take years to recover, assuming we can survive 3 more years of this kind of idiocy.


WOW!!!! What a statement. I have never heard anybody say that Bush's policies are worse that Clinton's. You must be very upset and are just venting.


54 posted on 03/04/2006 3:32:16 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Lorianne
The fly in the ointment is that the IRS gives more favorable tax treatment to india outsourcing of jobs than it does to hireing domestic workers. This is a ridiculous policy that can only take us down the road of national economic suicide.
55 posted on 03/04/2006 3:32:22 PM PST by brainstem223
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To: willstayfree

It's not just engineers, it's people in accounting and finance.

A lot of the issues have more to do with age discrimination (wage discrimination) than offshoring.

I tell anyone I can that realistically to only expect to work for somebody else until you're 40, and then work for yourself after that, because when you hit 40, companies are going to start to look for any excuse to get rid of you. Make the most of the money you make in your 20s and 30s, and save up to start your own business.


56 posted on 03/04/2006 3:34:37 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: snugs
Your post reminded me of a manufacturing plant that I toured recently in the United States. The firm that owns the plant is the leader in its industry. Several things impressed me about their operation:

1. The plant was scrupulously clean. Not a speck of dust or oil could be seen anywhere. I have been in hospitals that were not so clean. The factory was fairly new, the operation having been moved from the Midwest a few years ago.

2. The process is highly automated. Just a handful of workers were needed to run the entire factory.

3. The specialized equipment in the plant was imported from Europe. Most companies in that particular industry use the same equipment.

4. The quality standards were impressive. The company carefully monitors and controls every step of the process. As a result, their defect rate is an order of magnitude lower than its competitors'. This despite the fact that they use similar equipment and processes.

The company also has a plant in China that is dedicated to serving the Chinese market. No one at the US plant seemed much concerned that products from the Chinese plant might be imported to take business from them. The only advantage the Chinese operation has (other than close proximity to its primary markets) is lower labor costs; however, because so few workers are needed, the wage differential does not matter much.

The lessons for American manufacturers shold be apparent.

57 posted on 03/04/2006 3:36:00 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Logophile
And what was the product they were making or you prefer to be as vague as was your point>?
58 posted on 03/04/2006 3:42:48 PM PST by brainstem223
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To: ctdonath2; MNJohnnie
We don't need isolationism, we need to eliminate socialism.

India has existed for a long time. But only in the last decade or so have we been heavily outsourcing

Could it be that the EEOC, OSHA, and all the other alphabet-soup agencies have made it uneconomical to employ people in the US?

WHen you outsource to a company in India, rather than employ people internally, you don't have the EEOC staring over your shoulder to make sure you employ enough Black programmers (here is a list of all black CS PhDs. It's not long), you don't have sexual harassment lawsuits when one of your female engineers takes offense over what her manager says, etc, etc

59 posted on 03/04/2006 3:43:19 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: Dallas59
Correct. What I heard was we outsource two million USA jobs and in-source seven million, seems to me thats a net gain of five million jobs.
60 posted on 03/04/2006 3:44:51 PM PST by svcw
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