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To: chris1; Stellar Dendrite; F16Fighter
"Is it just me or do I see the same pro-Miers crowd supporting this bizarre deal with a radical Islamic nation?

Many are also from the same crowd who supported the President's signing of McCain's CFR bill, CAFTA, $15 billion taxpayer dollars being thrown down the African money pit (ostensibly to fight AIDS), and nearly every "compassionate" big gov't legislation the President has signed. .....and his "guest worker" program, of course.

Interesting that he's threatening to use his previously unused "veto pen" on this.

2,117 posted on 02/21/2006 8:32:18 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
I actually supported CAFTA as well, but the rest of your comments are spot-on.
2,122 posted on 02/21/2006 8:33:57 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Mr. Mojo; All
Interesting that he's threatening to use his previously unused "veto pen" on this.

Not really, given he threatens to use that VETO Pen on many items you'd support. He never does, but please do not intimate this is a new occurence. What would be a new occurence is if he actually used it.

BTW, before folks think about pigeon holing everyone into GOP/Prez bots?

I was vocally against Miers. Came around to CAFTA. Oppose CFR. Somewhat hostile to repeated donations to Africa that are impossible to oversee make their intended designations. Do not even want to hear about a guest worker program until illegal immigration is improved upon and our laws for applying for citizenship are improved upon, but even them I'm abivalent to it at this time. I'm for NCLB and against the Medicare/Prescription Drugs. Oh, and I was against the Court ordered death of Terri Schiavo. Just throwing that in there since it was another isue that divided folks along less partisan lines.

Let's not pretend this is a bot issue. It is not. On one side we have Chuck Schumer. On another side Jimmy Carter. If one side thinks they can claim the moral high ground they are deluding themselves. On either end you must jump in with typical enemies on any other day.

I'm not comfortable with the "idea" of selling to this group. Whether or not that lack of comfort is justified or not, I have not arrived at a position. The only position I do arrive at is that I can't rely on the MSM, naturally, for info. The admin is obviously selling this sale. And conservatives have become, to put it kindly, less than rational.

Given the issue, it's a shame so many people are running about with heads cut off. I'm inclined to join the side against this sale instinctively, but I don't like lynch mobs. And when I see so many folks acting like the past years of solid performance on the WOT by this administration is worth nothing, I'm inclined to withhold negative reaction and hear out the administration's argument and look for a few precious unprejudiced souls on either side that can give me more insight into what's happening.

Clearly, politically, this was a bad move, boneheaded really, given the "perception" Americans hold of S.A. But whether that perception holds up to the realities of the situation I do not know.

2,168 posted on 02/21/2006 8:52:19 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
"Many [of the pro-Miers crowd] are also from the same crowd who supported the President's signing of McCain's CFR bill, CAFTA, $15 billion taxpayer dollars being thrown down the African money pit (ostensibly to fight AIDS), and nearly every 'compassionate' big gov't legislation the President has signed. .....and his 'guest worker' program, of course.

Interesting that he's threatening to use his previously unused 'veto pen' on this."

I concur with your observation totally.

And the "veto pen" irony is staggering.

But now suddenly, the latest Spin is the Dubai Operation may be a quid pro quo deal in lieu of "borrowing" a base to get closer to Iran (with whom it has a petty territorial dispute.)

THAT "strategery" somehow justifies entrusting the "infidel's" ports to a Muslim country with dubious money laundering and organizational ties to terrorism.

2,858 posted on 02/22/2006 7:15:27 AM PST by F16Fighter
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