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To: donh
So, in other words, a jew is condemned to hell unless he violates the pieces of his orthodox teaching he holds to be fundamental: the shema and the 1st Commandment, by accepting christ as savior.

Pardon me, but I HATE the (non-biblical) phrase "accepting Christ as savior." I think it mawkish, man centered, and contentless. That aside, why are you so hung up on Jews? All the first century Christians for the first 20 of so years were almost exclusively Jewish, and many were what we would call "orthodox" today. The great shema regarding "echad adonai" is in no way a violation of the teaching that Jesus is God. Paul would have been first in line to attest that, along with 12 other hebrews in the first century. If some modern day descendant of Abraham picks the nature of the Godhead to reject the gospel, there is no difference between that and myself rejecting it because I instinctively knew I would have to stop getting laid (at least while I was single). Both are decisions to reject an alien righteousness offered to us and to stand on our own.

1,941 posted on 02/24/2006 4:19:05 PM PST by When_Penguins_Attack (Smashing Windows, Breaking down Gates. Proud Mepis User!!!!)
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To: When_Penguins_Attack
That aside, why are you so hung up on Jews?

I didn't expect you to answer my question, no modern christian apologist seems able to hold this problem in their heads for more than a millisecond. I am hung up on jews because the biblical teachings about jews--in particular, about the fact that they are damned if they stick to their most fundamental beliefs--in the Gospels were the excuses used by the christian churches to orchestrate 1400 hundred years of systematic torture, murder, imprisonment, child-kidnapping, and desecration of jews under to color of christian law.

1,946 posted on 02/24/2006 4:31:42 PM PST by donh
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To: When_Penguins_Attack
The great shema regarding "echad adonai" is in no way a violation of the teaching that Jesus is God.

I believe I'll take the orthodox jew's opinion on this subject over yours. When I read the the first 3 Commandments, I don't see any indication that statues of some human named jesus, and his mom, should appear in virtually every christian church, right where, and to whom, prayers are supposed to be directed, whereas a likeness of God is nary to be seen. Didn't that Golden Calf story sink home anywhere?

1,948 posted on 02/24/2006 4:49:59 PM PST by donh
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