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To: BMCDA; Junior
thanks for the reply

I find it difficult why you would accept the CONCEPT of a me paying with money if I kill your dog (which represents real loss to me..., as money is a representation of my time and life and energy..., it is just a tangible representation of those), and recoil from the idea of me paying with my life when I brutally and wantonly murder your wife and children (ok, I admit I am going for the emotional jugular). Once we move past the concept of me suffering (even if it is just the idea of losing a tangible representation of part of my life), then I don't see why one would recoil from paying IN my person, if the crime is heinous enough.

Again, I believe it it because we anthromorphize God, or in the words of the Psalmist, God charges that "You thought I was just like you are." Our visions of justice are caught up in the hate, vengful petty recriminations that *I* would do to you if you make me mad enough. The idea that justice can call for a penalty and that a being would not "lose his temper" is foreign to us. It is, however, the biblical portrayal of God.

Let me take a detour here and say I have to go for right now (I have to go make some money, ha ha) , but I have seldom had as enjoyable a conversation about these kind of things on the internet as this one. Both of you have been very kind, gracious, and a delight to talk with. You have my sincere thanks.

1,083 posted on 02/21/2006 11:21:59 AM PST by When_Penguins_Attack (Smashing Windows, Breaking down Gates. Proud Mepis User!!!!)
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To: When_Penguins_Attack
I find it difficult why you would accept the CONCEPT of a me paying with money if I kill your dog (which represents real loss to me..., as money is a representation of my time and life and energy..., it is just a tangible representation of those), and recoil from the idea of me paying with my life when I brutally and wantonly murder your wife and children (ok, I admit I am going for the emotional jugular). Once we move past the concept of me suffering (even if it is just the idea of losing a tangible representation of part of my life), then I don't see why one would recoil from paying IN my person, if the crime is heinous enough.

Uhmm... that's not quite what I said. If you were to kill my family or friends I'd have absolutely no problem with putting you to death - quite the contrary.

What I wanted to say is that if I accept a material compensation for a transgression committed against me (i.e. damaged my car), I don't mind who pays me or does some useful work I value (like painting my house).
On the other hand in your example I won't accept any substitution for the real culprit and as far as I know, neither does any western justice system.

You have my sincere thanks.

And I thank you ;)

1,119 posted on 02/21/2006 12:07:16 PM PST by BMCDA (If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it,we would be so simple that we couldn't)
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