Posted on 02/20/2006 5:33:50 AM PST by ToryHeartland
I thought he was Chairman of IBM
I have stated here before, and see no reason to change my mind, that the main problem that Creationists have with Evolution is they see it interfering with the "special" relationship Man has with God (Man is just another animal). This makes them feel insecure and so they attack Evolution and with it most of the "hard" sciences since they are all interconnected and support each other.
They feel threatened - it doesn't have to be that way.
You again ...
I suppose according to you, GOd is a liar too!
The truth is your the rabid liar that twists things. Hey, there's hope for you too! Even rapid liars can be acceptable to Him, if you repent.
Such open defiance of God!
I believe in God. His book reveals Him to me. As He eloquently puts it:
Rom.1:20
[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
All you have to do is OPEN YOUR EYES!
The evidence speaks for itself.
MY post?
It's mostly GOD's Word!!
(Go ahead!!)
I hope I didn't imply that was my impression, very far from it. The conservative movement in the UK (which is not confined to the Conservative and Unionist Party) may not seem of particular importance to some Americans, but I'd argue we do matter--at least when in power (we've been lousy in oppostion in recent years, but that's another story). I would happily argue that the premiership of Margaret Thatcher helped President Reagan win the Cold War, for example, and that we have done much to reverse the damage to the UK wrought by socialists (if only we could stop the rot in continental Europe as well--but that's yet another story). In short, I would hope that conservatives on both sides of the Atlantic recognised our common values and objectives.
Not quite what I said (do we ping here?), but the essence of the charge is true, and that whether you are a fiery fundmentalist or a god-hating atheist, or somewhere in between. Claiming "objectivity" in an issue like this is a fool's claim. If you sincerely believe that if I "accept" the concept of an eternal judge then I am not motivated to find a way to build a world where "science" gets me out from the idea of that type of world then all I can say is that you are incredibly naive and have not much experience with people. People are irrational, unobjective, emotional, and prone to the grossest distortions and misrepresentations of data that can be imagined. That doesn't change just because you have a bunch of analytical instruments in your place of work, compared to those who labor on spreadsheets, or with a pick and shovel. "Peer review" is no more of a safeguard against this than some group of clerics are immune from silly declarations about Ptolmy or the date of the original creation.
The point is that no one is objective, not that one group or the other is deliberately dishonest. The dishonesty comes in the proclamation that one is "objective." That is a load of crap. Objectivity is by definition impossible, but doubly so on an issue like this.
And is being discuused by...
...a bunch of silicon age, Berkinstock wearing SUV drivers.
So what??
Thanks for the ping!
Knock it off!
Many thanks for the reference, sounds of interest. Google came up with the full name, Dr. Armand Nicholi. Now, if my local library can come up with the text itself...I'll let you know
I do NOT disbelieve in God. I just dont see him in the ramblings of the primitive people who penned the words.
That you assert it is so isn't necessarily compelling.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
I think I'll go get lunch. Anyone want to join me?
Low expectations (both of the school system and it's students) are poison to our civilization.
Yeah, too bad they didn't listen to the priests and shamans or even to the common people who all knew that the earth wasn't flat but an oblate spheroid that orbited the sun and not the other way around. Oh, those silly scientists...
Science has shown itself to be fallible in the past. It would be the height of arrogance to think it will never be found so again. Refusing to challenge the concepts of science rather defeats the purpose of science itself.
And no one here claims that science is infallible but just because we don't know everything doesn't mean we don't know anything.
If we were to follow your advice we should not only teach astronomy but also astrology, Velikovsky's catastrophism or von Daeniken's nonsense.
And rest assured that the concepts of science get challenged all the time however, this doesn't mean that all positions deserve equal standing because if we gave every crackpot the same attention there'd be no time to do any serious research anymore.
As far as creationism is concerned (especially the YE variety), it has been shown to be untenable as science long before Darwin.
Like everyone else, your opinions are based on your perceptions. If you wish to be a product of primordial ooze, be my guest.
OK, I see this quite often but I still don't understand where you get the idea that we wish to be a product of primordial ooze?
Just because we defend a scientific theory doesn't mean we wish to be a product of primordial ooze as you put it. This is not a matter of what we want or don't want to be true but following the evidence no matter where it leads and how unpleasant it may be to some people.
To simply accept what one wants to be true is rather a trait I've observed in creationists (I'm no kin to monkeys, I chose to believe I'm specially created, etc.).
Now as far as I'm concerned, I couldn't care less whether I'm the descendant of some billion year old primordial ooze or two supernaturally animated lumps of clay from only a couple of millennia ago.
Whatever happens to be the case doesn't affect my self-image in the least and I don't see why it should.
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