Posted on 02/17/2006 7:04:20 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite
Judge: Lesbian couple can be foster parents By JOHN SHULTZ The Kansas City Star
Missouri cannot block an openly gay Kansas City woman’s efforts to become a foster parent because of her sexual orientation, a Jackson County judge ruled today.
In her decision, Circuit Judge Sandra Midkiff ruled the state arbitrarily denied Lisa Johnston’s petition to become a foster parent because she is a lesbian.
Johnston and partner Dawn Roginski sought to become foster parents in 2003, but their efforts were stymied by an unwritten state social services policy prohibiting gays from becoming foster parents.
The state argued that Johnston lacked the “reputable character” required by state guidelines for approving foster parents because she was in violation of Missouri’s anti-sodomy law.
Midkiff dismissed the argument, citing a 2003 Supreme Court ruling that found a similar law in Texas to be unconstitutional. If the sodomy law was unenforceable, Midkiff ruled, Missouri had no legal basis for denying Johnston’s application. Johnston and Roginiski were found to be exceptional candidates otherwise by the state.
“I’m overwhelmed with joy,” said Johnston, who had yet to discuss the ruling with her attorney. “I feel like we were heard.”
The American Civil Liberties Union had taken up Johnston’s case.
As I keep telling you, I won't reward you for your continued attempts at changing the subject.
Now that is funny. As Casloy says, my screen name isn't scripter for nothing. He's so delusional he thinks I write the scripts for everybody who disagrees with him.
Oh, but I have heard the quote. But, it was not the rottenness that was shining in the monlight, it was the mackerel. You see, a mackerel has silvery scales which make it shine in the moonlight, hence the imagery. So, if you had called me a rotten mackeral it might have worked, but since you didn't quite understand Sen. Randolph's original quote you kind of got it screwed up and tried to allude to shining rotteness, which makes as little sense as the rest of your post. You did a google search on "quote + rotten + shining" didn't you? Too funny. Keep trying, maybe one of these times you will put some words together accidentally, and actually sound half smart. There is nothing funnier than someone with limited skill with the language, that isn't aware of his own limitations. Back to you.
The absence of posts from you is plenty of reward. Thank you.
"I don't believe homosexuality is a sin"
Who gave you the right to judge what is sin and what is not?
Pure arrogance, and breaking the First Commandment (the most important one). Nothing but sheer vanity.
GOD judges it as a mortal sin, SCIENCE judges it to be an abomination of nature (harmful), SOCIETY judges it wrong, and democratic LEGISLATION judged it illegal.
Who are you or this activist judge to say otherwise? That's placing your personal judgement in this matter above God, science, your fellow Americans, and the law.
I'm not positive someone would bun in hell for that (That's His call to make, not mine). I have no doubt whatsoever that it is a roll-of-the-dice only a true fool would make. We're trying to help you here, as fellow Christians.
This judge is a tyrant, and anyone supporting this decision is acting foolishly. Debate my logic if you like.
Accuse me directly or indirectly of being mis-informed, hateful, ignorant, misguided, or bigoted, in this matter one more time and I'm done trying to help you.
You're an adult. If you don't have a problem with the possible consequences, then hey, it's your call. I won't deny you your right to exercise your free will.
I think you'd be wise to stop supporting this judge in taking OUR God-given liberty away.
You still defending your position as 'just', or do you think you're being misled into doing satan's dirty work for him?
Who would mislead someone into wagering their soul on a fool's gamble?
Hint: it's not God, and it's not us.
I believe you've been tricked by lies that others use to defend their vanity. Evil is cunning, and its methods are clever. I don't blame you for having been misled about this.
God tells us that faith and repentance are the keys to heaven.
I would think you very wise, and worthy of respect, if you were to admit your mistake.
Good for you. I think I'll believe you, this time.
But, it was not the rottenness that was shining in the monlight, it was the mackerel.
LOL! I don't believe this......
You see, a mackerel has silvery scales which make it shine in the moonlight, hence the imagery.
LOLOLOL! Go for it!
So, if you had called me a rotten mackeral [bzzzt! --sp] it might have worked, but since you didn't quite understand Sen. Randolph's original quote .... mumumbleumbleumblemumumble.....
OK, you can quit now. You lose.
You did a google search on "quote + rotten + shining" didn't you?
LOL! No, actually, I didn't. I recalled it from memory. So what? But let's not limit ourselves to the one metaphor, there are plenty we can coin for ourselves. And the point is, you were being positively rotten to the other posters, trying to paint them as Taliwhackers, as religious zealots clad in black, for objecting to what the HRC is up to.
Keep trying, maybe one of these times you will put some words together accidentally, and actually sound half smart.
Take your own advice sometime.
There is nothing funnier than someone with limited skill with the language, that isn't aware of his own limitations.
Oh, I totally agree. But that can be remedied with education, and it's nice to see you in there, trying. Keep it up, Grasshopper. The other way to go is actually to be nice to people and treat their POV as if they had a point.
In the case of the opponents of the HRC, they have just about all the points, and your posture of broadmindedness about lesbians' adopting is gainsaid by the actual experiences of kids who grew up in households like that -- and that isn't even counting the case of Paula Poundstone, who had her children taken away from her after she was arrested for performing a lewd act on her adoptive teenaged daughter (just giving her some hands-on instruction, no doubt).
It's bad policy, and you are doing the kids NO favors by pretending to be judicious and above the fray in the matter of gays' attempts to adopt.
Lesbians aren't nearly as bad as either heterosexual or homosexual men in the matter of molesting underage family members, but they do have something of a record; and homosexual men are absolutely unreliable around boys -- that's the record of 5,000 years of human experience with these guys.
"I think he's chewing on his knuckles now that he found out that some on this thread don't go to church."
ROTFL!
Great catch. I freely admit that I haven't attended a formal sermon in well over a year. I talk to a minister about once a month, and participate in occaisional Bible study, but that's about it.
Church is great way to praise, worship, enjoy fellowship, promote the faith, and participate in charity, but I think it has its' limits as a tool for spiritual education.
That's the thing that kind of turns me off about some denominations. Too much fanfare, and not enough education or meditation for things to really 'sink-in'.
Casloy should find this helpful in eroding his/her prejudices.
What in the world are you talking about? Sin is determined by what your particular religion dictates. It's not immutable and it changes with the ages. When I was growing up I was told dancing was a sin, I was told listening to rock and roll was a sin. I think I have a right to judge that for me dancing is not a sin.
GOD judges it as a mortal sin
I suppose if you are Catholic he does. I am not Catholic so mortal or otherwise is irrelevant.
SCIENCE judges it to be an abomination of nature
Abomination of nature is not something one can prove with science. Abomination of nature is a pejorative term which no scientist would use. This particular point of yours is just plain silly.
Who are you or this activist judge to say otherwise?
Well, in point of fact, I can say anything I damn well please. It's protected by the constitution. I know that pesky document gets in the way for you and your zealot friends sometimes, but it's a fact of life. As to the judge, apparently he has the right to make those decisions. They may be the wrong ones and you and I can certainly do our best to oppose him, but until a higher court overturns him, he is within the law.
This judge is a tyrant, and anyone supporting this decision is acting foolishly. Debate my logic if you like.
Debate your logic? How does one debate non-existent logic?
Accuse me directly or indirectly of being mis-informed, hateful, ignorant, misguided, or bigoted, in this matter one more time and I'm done trying to help you.
Ok, but only if you promise to stop trying to help me. Here goes: you are mis-informed, hateful, ignorant, and bigoted in this matter. I don't really believe that, but if it will get you to stop trying to help me, I'm willing to throw it out there.
You still defending your position as 'just', or do you think you're being misled into doing satan's dirty work for him?
I guess as long as God has great soldiers like you and the rest to drive the sodomites out of the temple, how can Satan and I possibly win.
God tells us that faith and repentance are the keys to heaven.
Finally, something you and I see eye to eye on. I have faith, it is weak and struggle with it all the time, but it is in the struggle that my faith grows the most. Please don't tell me you never have doubts. Faith would be meaningless if it didn't require struggle to overcome doubts. At least to me, anyway. Repentance is what most of my prayers are about. Repentance and asking for forgiveness. It's very personal and I would never think about discussing it with you or anyone outside my family or my pastor. As to this issue, I have nothing to repent.
I would think you very wise, and worthy of respect, if you were to admit your mistake.
Well, you'll just have to keep thinking me unwise and unworthy of respect. On the other hand, while I respect you, I don't think wisdom is one of your strong suits. What you spout is just a lot of shallow platitudes with no real depth or thought behind them.
I could not agree more. In fact, aside from regular services at my own church I periodically attend a quaker meeting. It's very quiet, very peaceful, and an excellent opportunity to pray with other people.
But, it was not the rottenness that was shining in the monlight, it was the mackerel.
LOL! I don't believe this......
But of course you didn't offer any clarification to the quote, because in fact you now realize you got it wrong. Laughing at yourself is fine. Be my guest.
Add another red herring to your growing list of moral relative justifications for your persistent support of the homosexualaization of society. You continue to attempt diverting the discussion in addition to objectively by stating "For days now" concede to the fact that is objectively obvious: You will persist in promulgating and promoting the homosexualization of society on FR until you are zotted.
As you are persistent in waving the leftist rainbow flag here on FR I await the inevitable and assured zotting you are destined for...
"I don't care what gays do as long as it doesn't infringe on my rights"
...and obvious every bit as much disregard for the rights of this child, and fellow Americans to have it decided by democratic legislature, rather than by a tyrant-judge.
They spent money and lobbied, alright. None of this was either approved or supported by majority vote.
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"And finally, when someone quotes the bible to me as the ultimate word on everything, because it was written by God I have serious questions."
Who said that?
The Bible is written by man. The only thing in the Bible that was written by the hand of God Himself, and directly translated into English is the Ten Commandments.
There is also written record of words that God Himself spoke directly to the prophets, and the recorded words of Jesus Christ, who walked this earth as God incarnate, and performed miracles of nature and faith. The New Testament is a historical record of Christ's teachings, and the miracles he peformed.
The Bible is the earliest recorded history written in the Hebrew language. It is both a historical document, and a textbook for spiritual education. If you deny Christ as having been BOTH God incarnate (the Messiah), AND the wisest man who ever walked the face of this earth, you are calling him a false prophet, or a fool, and those who follow Him liars.
No way to do that and rightly call yourself a Christian, is there, partner?
If you REALLY are a Christian (beginning to have my doubts here), then you have to believe in the Old Testament as factual and true because Christ Himself believed it to be (he practiced Judaism). If you don't then you are not a Christian. You are a non-believer, and are practicing some other occult pagan form of worship other than Christianity. You are worshipping a false-idol, and breaking the Commandments.
Admit you're wrong, or please quit calling yourself a Christian, and own up to what you REALLY are.
The exact vocabulary within the Bible is not important. The lessons contained within are God's lessons, and the words are His words. They can be translated differently, and sometimes misunderstood, but they can never be denied as absolute truth.
God is given authorial credit for the Ten Commandments. He receives royalties by way of donations to His Church, and by good works conducted in His name.
The rest was recorded, and authored, by men who are infinitely wiser in the ways of God than you are acting. Those who fail to learn the lessons in the Bible through sheer ignorance of them are denying God, and are fools.
"There is nothing so immoral as someone who is sanctimonious about their own morality."
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
WOW. Now THAT was funny. You could be a screen-writer.
And to think I didn't see you as capable of much humor.
Have you not been telling us that WE are wrong about this, and have less right to judge for ourselves than either You or a single judge? Who's being sanctimonious, here?
Who wins the game of 'Pot-or-Kettle', on this matters not. Sanctimony is not the issue, here. The issue one of society deciding who is, or is not, worthy of raising children not naturally born to them.
It is a privilige granted by society, and NOT a natural right. Same as being given a license to drive, but requiring a MUCH higher level of care and responsibility. It is a very serious issue, despite what your homosexual friends tell you.
It is something that is subject to legislature, not constitutional or judiciary interpretation.
"If he does go to church, it must be the Metropolitan Community Church [sic]."
HAHAHAHA!
Or maybe Boy George's 'Church of the Poison Mind' (album: circa 1983)?
Put up if you think I did. Please remember to have a point.
Laughing at yourself is fine. Be my guest.
Maybe I will someday. Not today.
And this is topical.......how?
"Ok, but only if you promise to stop trying to help me"
Deal. You're hopeless. ZOT!
"What you spout is just a lot of shallow platitudes with no real depth or thought behind them."
I have read, and understand the teachings of Christ, Jung, Darwin, Freud, the Old Testament, Einstein, and all of the widely accepted fundamental laws of physics and nature, and more historical text than I care to even remember.
The only doctrine consistent with your position is Socialism. I consider you a socialist. You can't even do that right, though.
Nearly everything you've spouted here flies directly in the face of reason. When the errors of your ways are pointed out, you deny your liberal bias, and continue on.
Your behavior here clearly demonstrates a liberal bias, as well as an abnormal, and anti-social personality.
In short; you're insane. See a professional psychologist, work it out, and quit bothering everyone here.
Later!
"What in the world are you talking about? Sin is determined by what your particular religion dictates."
You clearly stated in an earlier post that you subscribe to Christianity.
Theology (religion) is the study of faith. The religion (moral system) that you said you subscribed, Christianity, considers homosexuality a sin, and has for some time. To state otherwise is false (a lie).
Your position, and methods used to defend it, are composed of an inconsistency between morals, ethics, and behavior (liberalism), anti-social behavior (insanity), willfulness to carry on MOTS when confronted by your fellows (defiance), personal attacks (radicalism), and advancement of the gay agenda (homosexualism).
"On the other hand, while I respect you, I don't think wisdom is one of your strong suits"
Left handed compliment (insult).
"What you spout is just a lot of shallow platitudes with no real depth or thought behind them."
Lack of respect.
Ready for a dose of your own medicine?
I believe that you posess all of the necessary characteristics to promote the gay agenda and draw the continued disapproval of others involved in this discussion. I greatly respect your arrogance and contempt in this regard, as it is strictly forbidden by the Admins.
Your continuing abuse of your privilege to use this site shows that you are obviously an able soldier in the war to end public decency and install atheism as our new state-sponsored religion.
I believe that your use of mental acumen and activism, in trying to change the stance of others here, is every bit as formidable and useful as a football-bat used in the act of pounding salt.
Insulting and disrespectful, to be sure.
Shallow? Hardly.
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