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To: Dr. Eckleburg

So you have decided that brainless slander is an appropriate way for Christians to present their case? There's a lot of that going on this week. It demeans and diminishes your faith.


2,362 posted on 03/02/2006 10:58:27 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138

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2,383 posted on 03/02/2006 11:55:16 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: js1138
You know, I have seen you criticize ’Christians’ here on this forum and how you believe that their actions diminish their faith, but what about the somewhat religious celebration in the name of Darwin here:

With evolutionary theologian Michael Dowd’s ‘Darwin Day Sermons’

Or explore the roots of ‘Darwin Day’ with (and by) the Secular Student Alliance.

Or merely see what Darwin Day represents in ‘Their Wedge Document’:

*Darwinism rejects all supernatural phenomena and causations
*Darwinism refutes typology; i.e., that the world is stable and invariant
*Darwin's theory of natural selection made any invocation of teleology unnecessary
*Darwin accepted the universality of randomness and chance throughout the process of natural selection
*Darwin developed a new view of humanity and in turn, a new anthropocentrism
*Darwin provided a scientific foundation for ethics
‘Darwin Day’

Or do you believe this scientist is correct with his assertion?

If it weren't all about political feasibility and huge democratic pressures, I'd say, "make my day!" Let's bring intelligent design into biology, and take the vague theory and refine it into mutually exclusive families of clearer hypotheses. Each of which we analyze for explanatory power, corroborating and disconfirming evidence, and so on.

And in the process, we will show that the Christian concept of God is scientifically false---we can say with a fair degree of scientific confidence that there is no god much like the God they want.

But of course, that will never happen. They'd accuse us of violating their boundary between "science" and "religion," and taking a "religious" stance. (Well, anti-religious, and in a sense they'd be right on that.) If we said the truth, which is that scientists know orthodox Christianity to be scientifically false, we'd be lynched.
a scientist…

You refer to the bible and chastise Christians, but unless you are willing to plainly state your beliefs - this quite simply comes off as BS…
The liar is inescapably concerned with truth-values. In order to invent a lie at all, he must think he knows what is the truth. And in order to invent an effective lie, he must design his falsehood under the guidance of truth…

The word sh*t does, to be sure, suggest this. Excrement is not designed or crafted at all; it is merely emitted or dumped. It may have a more or less coherent shape, or it may not, but it is in any case not wrought.
-On Bullshit by Harry G. Frankfurt

IMHO, these two simple quotes sum up this whole debate. Sh*t is not designed – and I do not think anyone would look for truth from sh*t. But for anyone to demand that no ‘design’ was required for intelligence, they must rely on something to form their truth to counter accusations that contradict their philosophy from… basically sh*t.

So come on JS1138, let us all hear what ‘you’ base your worldview upon… Or you can simply criticize me for not being ‘Christian’ enough for your ‘belief’. As a Christian; I do not claim to know all truth, I love science, and keep an open mind - but I do believe I know where truth ’ultimately’ comes from… Where do you ‘believe’ your philosophical worldview ‘ultimately’ comes from?

2,387 posted on 03/02/2006 12:56:35 PM PST by Heartlander
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