[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

I oppose abortion from conception onward, I am in agreement with Jefferson on the value of public education though I am convinced that public funding via voucher is a much better mechanism than what we now have and I oppose isolationist Foreign Policy as a general rule. And yes we have had spirited debates, you, I and ole OWK. And I am a Catholic but more than that I am a Christian which is why I reject out of hand any argument that God simply planted the seeds and then sat back and observed.

As a former "Operation Rescue" radical, I may have misunderstood your position on Abortion; or perhaps once-upon-a-time we misunderstood eachother. As to the rest... I miss ole OWK also. Those were good times.

• I have "moderated" somewhat since my Operation Rescue days; or rather, I have become more Constitutional in my views... while I suppose that I could in theory support a "National Pro-Life Amendment" (on the basis that the Constitution guarantees a "Republican Form of Governance" to the States, and the foundation of Republicanism is Equal Justice for All Persons under Law), I have come to the belief that it is both more Politically-Realistic and more Constitutional to simply advocate the repeal of Roe-v-Wade and the return of Abortion Law to the State Legislatures (I also believe that, pragmatically, this is the course which will most expeditiously acheive at least some Legal Protection for the Unborn in many States).

  Abortion is Murder, and the Founders believed that Murder Law (and, indeed, all Common Law) should be Legislated by the Sovereign States. This is the legal position at which I have arrived.

• I disagree with Jefferson on the alleged "value" of Public Education. IMHO, Stealing Tax-Dollars from Private-Schoolers and Home-Schoolers in order to guarantee "universal Public Education" to the Youth... is still Theft. In addition, I think that you as a Roman Catholic Christian should appreciate the following factoid:
  The Department of Justice reported, in 1998, there were 103,600 reported cases of sexual misconduct in our nation’s schools and most of them involved a teacher. In contrast; there were 10,667 reported cases of sexual abuse by clergy between 1950 and 2003. (http://www.lewrockwell.com/mcmaken/mcmaken113.html)

  In other words, IN ONE YEAR, (1998) the Secular-Evolutionist Publik Skools generated TEN TIMES as many cases of Sexual Misconduct as ALL sexual abuses by Roman Catholic clergy COMBINED, FOR THE LAST FIFTY YEARS.

  As a rigorous Ultra-Protestant, I don't intend to let the Roman Clergy off the hook for their manifold sexual abuses and institutional cover-ups; Sin is Sin, and so I am unimpressed by your claim to be the "One True Church" in the midst of much sodomy and pedophilia. But by comparison to the Roman Catholic Church, the American Publik Skool system is PEDERASTY CENTRAL STATION. At a rate of 100,000 sexual abuses per year, one might well consider the question: should Publik Skooling be Against the Law?

  You think Vouchers would be a better "delivery system" for Publik Skooling. Me, I don't want Publik Skooling at all. I suppose that I would support Vouchers also; but only as a preliminary step to the total abolition of the Sodomitic-Evolutionist Publik Skool Gulags.

  continuing on...

• I'm an Isolationist. You're not. I don't intend to apologize for my stance; I consider my views to be closest to those of George Washington and our Nation's Founders. We disagree on this, strongly. Vive la difference.

Nice to see you in the Forum.

Best, OP

[jude24]

Abortion is Murder, and the Founders believed that Murder Law (and, indeed, all Common Law) should be Legislated by the Sovereign States. This is the legal position at which I have arrived.

Not to be unduly anal, but technically, "murder" is a legal definition, not a moral one. (Of course, it is immoral.) The correct word is "homicide."

This is important because that is why abortion, why it may not be illegal and therefore is most certainly not "murder," is undeniably immoral.