[Havoc]

No, good evidence is immaterial. If it doesn't fit the controlling regime, it doesn't get anywhere. IE, if it rebuts evolution, overturns popular assumptions, etc. Look at the way ID is being treated simply because it goes against evolution. There is nothing rational in the way it's being shot down without any real review. The controlling regime doesnt' like it, therefore they'll do everything in their power to stop it. Doesn't matter how valid it is.

[Thatcherite]

Look at the way ID is being treated simply because it goes against evolution.

*snort* Someone has been telling you pork-pies. ID doesn't go against evolution. The scientists accepting ID (Behe, Denton, Dembski, Meyer) are all on public record accepting the following:

• The universe is billions of years old
• The earth is billions of years old
• Life on earth is billions of years old
• Evolution is a fact
• The theory of evolution is the scientific explanation of the fact of evolution
• All life on earth shares common descent
• There is no physical evidence that the Designer has intervened for millions of years

Do you support ID? If so presumably you endorse those beliefs of the scientists who propose ID. *snickering*

There is nothing rational in the way it's being shot down without any real review.

*guffaw*. ID is the oldest origins idea under the sun. Its proponents have had thousands of years to get their act together and come up with some evidence for their proposition. So far they are batting zero. It isn't being shot down irrationally. It is being shot down because it is horse-puckey. Darwin anticipated and answered most of the ID arguments that Behe et al try to use 150 years ago.

[Coyoteman]

No, good evidence is immaterial. If it doesn't fit the controlling regime, it doesn't get anywhere. IE, if it rebuts evolution, overturns popular assumptions, etc. Look at the way ID is being treated simply because it goes against evolution.

Good evidence is immaterial???? Not in science! Good evidence is critical.

That is why this "forbidden archaeology" gets nowhere--there is no good evidence. Same for ID.

You got to bring the evidence if you want to play the science game.

Or, as Heinlein wrote:

What are the facts? Again and again and again - what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what 'the stars foretell,' avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable 'verdict of history' - what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your only clue. Get the facts!

Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973