Okay.
CJ made the statement --- Men don't voluntarily die for what they know to be a lie
You responded --- You misunderstand human nature.
Followed by your support for this view --- men will and do voluntarily die for what they believe in, whether that belief is backed by evidence or not. They will die for lies as long as they believe the lies to be truth. Their belief can not be taken as proof of any 'truth' value.
Well, that answers belief, not knowledge. It is true that people will die for their beliefs. One way is in a war. But to voluntarily die for a known lie is not the same thing. If it appears that a person has died for something that person knows to be a lie, there is another reason. Some people die protecting other people. But it is difficult to protect an already dead person.
This thread certainly has legs....
It seems we agree that people will die for beliefs even if the belief is a lie...assuming they do not know it to be a lie.
I just did not understand how what you said related to my statement. The 'knowledge' part of it is unclear.
For your assertion to have meaning, the resurrection of Jesus needs to be assumed. The assumption that Jesus did rise from the dead can not be used as proof that he did rise from the dead. This begging the question is the problem.