To: Californiajones
"Men don't voluntarily die for what they know to be a lie. You misunderstand human nature.
men will and do voluntarily die for what they believe in, whether that belief is backed by evidence or not. They will die for lies as long as they believe the lies to be truth. Their belief can not be taken as proof of any 'truth' value.
1,562 posted on
02/15/2006 4:32:12 PM PST by
b_sharp
(Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
To: b_sharp
Lotta suicide bombers running around these days ... I guess they must be right.
1,563 posted on
02/15/2006 4:41:15 PM PST by
PatrickHenry
(Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
To: b_sharp; Californiajones
"Men don't voluntarily die for what they know to be a lie.
They will die for lies as long as they believe the lies to be truth. Knowing something is a lie certainly rules out believing it is the truth.
Luk 24:12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
1,572 posted on
02/15/2006 7:42:04 PM PST by
AndrewC
(Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
To: b_sharp
My point about Jesus' disciples is that since they saw Jesus die and come back from the dead, they knew what they saw and He taught to be true.
They would have also known if He was lying.
They would not have voluntarily gone to their deaths for what they knew to be a lie.
That's just human nature. Grand-eloquent human nature, but human nature nonetheless.
1,577 posted on
02/15/2006 9:20:59 PM PST by
Californiajones
("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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