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To: bvw
"Deny the actions of G-d, that is denial of G-d in all effect."

Evolution doesn't deny the actions of God. It says nothing pro or con about the actions of God.

"One might ask what is so awful about allowing some scientists to pursue biology as it was designed?"

1) Nobody is stopping any scientists from pursuing whatever they wish.

2) Biology, like every science, can only deal with the observable and testable. God doesn't fit either of those criteria.
150 posted on 02/12/2006 5:52:00 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
We've great advances since the Dark Ages and the findings of science upset some people. Actually, we owe Darwin a huge debt. When scientists casted aside errors and misconceptions, the state of human knowledge advanced. And one can confidently say there are no limits to what can be discovered in the future.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

162 posted on 02/12/2006 6:13:29 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
I'm happy you'd allow that scientists can pursue whatever they wish. That would be happy for all, unless you are taking that full license back by saying that does NOT include presuming action by a Designer, G-d.

I'm going to break out your (2) into three and respond to each.

  1. "Biology can only deal with the observable and testable."

    Yes, that is Darinistic claim, and it comes out of biology, or rather the mindset of biologists -- especially those invloved in classification. I've covered that bit about mindset already, so I'll leave it alone here.

    For biology this claim seems to have more validity than for other sciences, where the not-so-observable and not at all testable has consideration. See point next. Yet even in biology -- especially when it deals with fossils and even with complex issues of complex systems, observability and testability are reduced to ballparkian induction and what-if games.

  2. "Every science, can only deal with the observable and testable."

    Not at all. Super strings, multi-verses in physics, complex interrealtions in complex systems in all sciences, mathematics, psychology, psychiatry -- all are sciences where valid lines of intellectual pursuit are not necessarily observable or testable. As Karl Popper said about natural selection itself they are valid as "metaphysical research projects."

  3. "God doesn't fit either of those criteria."

    That, is your opinion. It may be shared by many but also to many, including myself, it is an opinion we do not share. For instant case I will say that G-d is obvious to me in the sheer unlikelyness by all known explanations by physics, chemistry ad biology of all we are being just as we are.


164 posted on 02/12/2006 6:16:38 PM PST by bvw
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