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Designed to deceive: Creation can't hold up to rigors of science
CONTRA COSTA TIMES ^ | 12 February 2006 | John Glennon

Posted on 02/12/2006 10:32:27 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: tallhappy
I find it interesting that you think it somehow wise or necessary to advertise yourself on an internet forum that is not even a scientific forum.

I take responsibility for what I say or write. I consider posting anonymously to be cowardly and inconsistent with taking responsibility for my words. Others may feel differently.

I cannot for the life of me understand why any scientist would hang out at a political internet forum to use superficial discussions of biology or other sciences as a means to participate in a culture war relating to religious beliefs.

Clearly, then you are not a scientist, since you can't understand why a scientist would do what you do.

I'm glad we've settled the point.

For my part, as a conservative, I feel it important to fight for the future of the conservative movement, and to dissuade it from its current course of identification with a narrow and theocratic school of social conservatism.

It is also not appropriate for you to try and obtain or demand personal information from people. You have a strange psychological reason for wanting to advertise yourself, fine. But no one else is required to give specifics on their personal life or such information

I don't demand such unless the person sets themselves up as an authority, or personally challenges my own competence. You have done both on this thread. But you don't have the cojones to stand by your words, chico.

Oddly enough, I was tempted to suggest in my previous post that your activities at the Biophysical Society Annual Meeting might involve broom-pushing. I refrained, not to save your feelings, but because I have nothing against janitors, a valuable occupation and one whose members generally don't pretend to be what they are not.

701 posted on 02/14/2006 9:30:24 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

Nothing more pathetic than someone who puts down the qualifications of others and then, when challenged on his own, hides behind anonymity.

It's called cowardice, an attribute I've noticed in abundance among the creationist trolls on this thread. It goes well with their dishonesty.

702 posted on 02/14/2006 10:09:20 AM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: ml1954
It's called cowardice, an attribute I've noticed in abundance among the creationist trolls on this thread. It goes well with their dishonesty.

rAmen

703 posted on 02/14/2006 10:14:01 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: Right Wing Professor
You are out of line to ask for personal information.

I also question your logic. I certainly have not challenged your own competence, but still, even if that were so, how would my having graduated from Yale or MIT or being a janitor from Mexico have any bearing on your competence? It makes no sense.

If you are this touchy, I'd suggest maybe it is you that has doubts about your own competence.

Really, would there be any details of my personal history that would indicate I am not an idiot?

You're just dour and angry.

704 posted on 02/14/2006 10:23:34 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Ken H
Interested in Santorum, are you? So many evos here make reference to him, as if they're hopeful that this vulnerable Republican might be knocked over come November. I've even seen some here suggest strategies for ousting him.

One might even wonder if FRevos are trying to turn over the GOP majority. Wonder why they'd do that? Are they really conservatives, or do they have some other agenda? Given the staggering amount of time evos spend on FR doing nothing but attacking the religious right--it would go to explain a lot.

705 posted on 02/14/2006 10:32:05 AM PST by Mamzelle (evofreak)
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To: tallhappy
I think posting as much personal info as RWP posts about himself is the mark of a fool. As I know what genuine i-stalking feels like, I don't recommend making one's self a target. Such "sharing" is highly imprudent.

I'd like to post this remark to him, given that I'm talking about him--but he's one of the Ones Who Must Not Be Spoken To.

706 posted on 02/14/2006 10:34:54 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Again - got the same thing you started with - ain't speciation. No wonder nobody takes any of you seriously.
Did you read your own article by chance? The part that talks about only four possible instances being on file and why..
If even one verifiable change to something different were documented, they'd be hyping it till the cows came home because it has never been witnessed before. To this point, the article isn't credible. Moreover, the guy can't even define speciation and notes everyone has a different version of what it might mean. No biggie - right. I mean if you can define it so sloppily, then anything might be called "speciation". Pretty handy - especially in a situation where precision is expected. This largely amounts to a scientific community "bait and switch". *chortle*

If you can't define a species and can't therefore accurately define speciation, how do you expect anyone to take any of this seriously. The slop factor is obvious and purposeful IMO. There are some breeds of dog that cannot interbreed with other breeds of dog. They're still dogs.


707 posted on 02/14/2006 10:38:35 AM PST by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: shuckmaster
""I'd like to see anyone create gravity. It would be especially interesting to see a lying creationist create a little gravity.""

Personal attacks on this female person aside, this is precisely the point. Evolutionist "science" no more can explain the origin of life or the species than it can explain what gravity is. It's all about guessing. Evolutionists are enamored with their argument because it appears to be "scientific" (albeit circa 1859 "scientific") over the more soul wrenching idea that there is a Personal God who sees us in all our failed humanity and created us for His good purpose.

That's why this thread is so long. The real argument has to do with God.
708 posted on 02/14/2006 10:39:55 AM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Californiajones

"Evolutionist "science" no more can explain the origin of life or the species than it can explain what gravity is."

It's not TRYING to explain the origins of life. And what is *the species*?


709 posted on 02/14/2006 10:42:48 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Whatever disclaimer Darwin put in his book, the INHERENT argument there is that there was no Christian God of the Bible who made man in His own Image.

I invite you to check the dictionary for what the word "inherent' means..


710 posted on 02/14/2006 10:43:42 AM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Californiajones

"Whatever disclaimer Darwin put in his book, the INHERENT argument there is that there was no Christian God of the Bible who made man in His own Image."

That's a lie. When you actually READ the book, come back.

"I invite you to check the dictionary for what the word "inherent' means.."

As soon as you actually read The Origin Of Species. :)


711 posted on 02/14/2006 10:45:16 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Just the facts, here, don't drag me into specious arguments of syntax over the word "species"

(as I vaguely noticed that has occurred previously in the thread.)

Again Darwin's theory INHERENTLY attempts to debunk the Christian God of the Bible as to how life began.
712 posted on 02/14/2006 10:48:13 AM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: tallhappy

Monkeys, lions and Horses have hair. They must have a common ancestor... lol. really. No matter how technical you try to get, your conclusion is less than conclusive.


713 posted on 02/14/2006 10:50:07 AM PST by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Now I'm going to get precious.

Look up the word "lie" in the dictionary before you accuse me of doing something I didn't do.


714 posted on 02/14/2006 10:50:29 AM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Whoopie, you gonna join the crowd and offer us corn turns to corn stories of speciation too? *laughing uncontrollably*


715 posted on 02/14/2006 10:52:12 AM PST by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: Havoc
I am not sure what your comment is supposed to mean.

The post you replied to concerned a technical point in response to the statement:

The mechanism of how an organism deletes a repeat(s) of a DNA segment as described in the paper is irrelevant to the type of mutations found in shared pseudogenes.

716 posted on 02/14/2006 10:53:57 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Californiajones
"Just the facts, here, don't drag me into specious arguments of syntax over the word "species"

If you can't even name the book correctly, it says a lot about your competence to debate it. It's NOT called the Origins of THE Species; it's On The Origins of Species.

" Again Darwin's theory INHERENTLY attempts to debunk the Christian God of the Bible as to how life began."

And that's a lie. It attempts no such thing, explicitly or *inherently*. Like every scientific theory, it says absolutely nothing about the existence or nonexistence of God. That is why many Christians in Darwin's day readily accepted the book. It was only *anti-Christian* to those whose views of Christianity demanded a literal reading of Genesis.
717 posted on 02/14/2006 10:54:36 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Californiajones
"Look up the word "lie" in the dictionary before you accuse me of doing something I didn't do."

Well, since you didn't actually read the book, I will grant that you are just blindingly ignorant of what it's arguments are, inherent or not. :)
718 posted on 02/14/2006 10:56:00 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

When chiding someone over correct titles, don't screw up yourself.

It's The Origin of Species (not Origins).


719 posted on 02/14/2006 10:57:58 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Darwin's theory inherently debunks the idea that a Christian God created man because of the book of Genesis and the whole New Testament.

Whether Victorian Christians understood that Evolution was at odds with the Bible, I have no idea or interest, really.


720 posted on 02/14/2006 11:01:20 AM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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