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It wasn't his child, but court says he must pay
Miami Herald ^ | January 5, 2006 | Sara Olkon

Posted on 01/09/2006 12:19:01 AM PST by RWR8189

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To: Darkwolf377
But why should the husband be the one to pay for his wife's mistake and the real father's mistake?

A. Because he married her, and is now responsible for her.

B. Because a child is involved, and it would be far worse to suddenly have the person it's known as it's father ripped away from it.

C. It's a longstanding legal precident, that if you take responsibility for the child at it's birth, you are responsible forever. That's how it should be for the best interest of the kid. He doesn't know anything about sex or divorce or adultry, he only knows his life as it was given to him, and he shouldn't be made to suffer for others.

For the same reasons, I am also pro-life, because I don't think that the child should be made to suffer because of the sins of the parents.

If the man was a man of character, he'd pay it without the court order.

41 posted on 01/09/2006 1:58:25 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: dennisw

Umm, no it won't.

I learned this in pre-law 101. It's as old as the hills.

This isn't like a murder or a rape. This isn't just dealing with the victim, there's someone else involved.

If you accept a child at birth, without question, it's the same as adoption. What, are you going to argue that parents that adopt kids should be able to 'divorce' their kids if they divorce their spouse as well? Rediculous, for obvious reasons. This is no different.


42 posted on 01/09/2006 2:00:47 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: Al Simmons

Thanks for the backup.


43 posted on 01/09/2006 2:01:51 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: Al Simmons
True but today we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt if the child is his or not. No more he sid/she siad crap. DNA will prove yes or no.
44 posted on 01/09/2006 2:02:06 AM PST by unseen
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To: zbigreddogz
I agree with it actually. The kid shouldn't be made to suffer because of the sins of it's parent.

But you are ok with a parent having to suffer for the sins of the other parent? What's wrong with the guy who actually fathered the child paying the support? Got any thing agaist that? This is so wrong that words fail a person trying to describe how wrong it is. The wife decieves the husband, the husband believes it is his child because she lies and tells him it is(this is fraud), but when he finds out years later it isn't his child, he has to keep paying because he didn't assume she was a slut from the git go and have a DNA test at birth! This is outrageous and you find nothing wrong with it, unbelievable.

45 posted on 01/09/2006 2:02:09 AM PST by calex59
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To: Paul C. Jesup

They are getting married, just NO children from what I have seen.


46 posted on 01/09/2006 2:02:25 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: dennisw

I agree with you by the way. There is no doubt, as the person to whom you responded stated, that it is long-standing legal principle for the declared father at birth to be responsible for the child notwithstanding later contested paternity. However, now that we have DNA testing that can eliminate any doubt when a man did not sire the child, I think that the laws will change within 10-20 years so that establishing non-paternity will absolve men of child-support obligations.


47 posted on 01/09/2006 2:03:08 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: zbigreddogz

DNA DNA DNA DNA changes alot of old laws it will change this one also. If I accept any legal binding contract under false pretenses then the contract becomes null and void.


48 posted on 01/09/2006 2:04:09 AM PST by unseen
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To: zbigreddogz

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

This topic is all about money grubbing cheating women. Seems you favor liars and thieves when they are female. You frown on the man who refuses to pay for children he never fathered.


49 posted on 01/09/2006 2:04:52 AM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: zbigreddogz
If you accept a child at birth, without question, it's the same as adoption. What, are you going to argue that parents that adopt kids should be able to 'divorce' their kids if they divorce their spouse as well? Rediculous, for obvious reasons. This is no different.

This is not the same and you know it. He didn't adopt the kid, once you adopt a child it is yours. He accepted the child because he was TOLD by the mother is was his, he didn't accept it because he was being benevolent and taking on the support of another man's child, he was doing it because he believed the lie that it was his. Entirely different. You have your head squarely up your a** if you think other wise.

50 posted on 01/09/2006 2:05:34 AM PST by calex59
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To: Marie
So why should a man be made to suffer because of the sins of a woman? If a man is *innocent* of the charge of fathering a child, why should he loose a significant chunk of his paycheck for someone else's act? It is insane and immoral to me that a man should have to pay for another man's actions.

You are completely missing the point. First off, fathering a child is not a crime, and you can't be 'innocent' if it.

Second, he may not have fathered the child, but he accepted responsibility for it by calling it his own at birth. He's now accepted responsibility for the kid. It merely requires him to live up to his responsibility.

This is the ONLY place in US law where a person has to pay the penalty for another person's crime. Disgusting.

Rediculous. Again, this isn't a crime, and I'm pretty sure this isn't unique to the US. It's a legal principle that is hundreds of years old.

Heck, the Libs have a fit about the idea of forcing a woman to go through with a pregnancy she doesn't want. Where does the rights of the child trump the rights of the mother in *that* situation?

Do you realize what you are saying?

If you are arguing the pro-abortion side, you just did a great job. But if you are pro-life like me, you just made my point.

51 posted on 01/09/2006 2:06:40 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: calex59
No, it's not, and I don't. You could be lied to by an adoption agency as well, perhaps you weren't told that the kid had a high probability of growing up with a mental disorder, that doesn't mean you are any less responsible for the kid if you go through with the adoption.

Is it exactly the same? No. It is mostly the same? Yes.

I'm pro-life for the same reasons. I think the life of the child is more important then the convenience of the parents. The consequences are a little less severe here for the child, but the same basic ideas apply.

And you have your head up your a$$ if you don't realize it.

52 posted on 01/09/2006 2:09:53 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: dennisw

No, I frown upon men who won't step up and take care of kids that need taken care of, after he already said he would by accepting the child as his responsibility.

It sickens me that even so-called 'conservatives', people who are suppose to believe in individual responsibility, would shirk something so important as fatherhood because of something like this. Just because your life doesn't go the way you wanted it to doesn't mean that you get to opt out of your responsibilities.


53 posted on 01/09/2006 2:12:06 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz
I agree with it actually. The kid shouldn't be made to suffer because of the sins of it's parent.

Oh, so you no doubt are against that great boon to the legal comunity, the no fault divorce. After all why should the children suffer for the sins of their parents./sarc
54 posted on 01/09/2006 2:12:58 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: zbigreddogz
I think the life of the child is more important then the convenience of the parents.

Never mind that the money taken from the one man is usually also taken from his own legitimate children. This is especially the case in states like California that provide only 30 days to contest paternity, oftentimes 'established' without the knowledge of the non-father who doesn't even know that he's been named, in a number of cases by women he doesn't even know, because they have provided a name to Social Services which is incorrectly tracked to him, and then for whatever reason he never receives the summons that is delivered to someone else.

55 posted on 01/09/2006 2:14:59 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Bon mots
The same criticism ALSO apply to males.
56 posted on 01/09/2006 2:17:53 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: AntiGuv
There is no doubt, as the person to whom you responded stated, that it is long-standing legal principle for the declared father at birth to be responsible for the child notwithstanding later contested paternity.

This has been English law for 500 years. And I have had no problem with that. It had a certain crude logic that preserved families. But today we have DNA testing and women who work outside the home, who can often make more than men. If she wants to cheat her way through life, let her earn her way through life.

DNA testing has changed other laws. Paternity support for children who aren't yours will also bite the dust. Feminist money grubbers cannot stop DNA technology factoring into more and more paternity/child support cases. There's even a new TV show this season that deals with incarcerated criminals being freed by new DNA evidence

57 posted on 01/09/2006 2:17:57 AM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: DoughtyOne

Well said.


58 posted on 01/09/2006 2:18:24 AM PST by freeplancer
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To: AntiGuv

I've head of such laws and cases.


59 posted on 01/09/2006 2:19:08 AM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: calex59
But you are ok with a parent having to suffer for the sins of the other parent?

When a child is in the middle, and he, as a adult individual making his own choices, married this woman and accepted her child as his? Absofreakinglutely. It's called individual responsibility. Was he lied to? Maybe, but that doesn't matter to the kid, and it doesn't change the fact that he took responsiblity for him.

What's wrong with the guy who actually fathered the child paying the support? Got any thing agaist that?

Yes. He's not the kids father as far as I'm concerned. Men are not merely seman factories.

This is so wrong that words fail a person trying to describe how wrong it is. The wife decieves the husband, the husband believes it is his child because she lies and tells him it is(this is fraud), but when he finds out years later it isn't his child, he has to keep paying because he didn't assume she was a slut from the git go and have a DNA test at birth! This is outrageous and you find nothing wrong with it, unbelievable.

Yah, words to fail you, alright, because you aren't making a lot of sense here.

I didn't say I found nothing wrong with it, I merely said I still thought that the man who was responsible for this woman, and took responsibility for his child, should not be released of his responsibility.

What is unbelivable is that you seem to be willing to sell a kid down the river for the convinience of that person he has called dad since he was born. Does a lie destroy that bond? Hell no.

What about a man who has sex with a woman who says she's on the pill, but isn't? Should he be released from having to take care of the child because he was lied to?

Heck, if I thought of things like you do, I'd say yes.

60 posted on 01/09/2006 2:19:38 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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