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To: jwalsh07
Would "and the connection between creationism and ID as defined by the authors of the ID textbook "Of People and Pandas" isn't tenuous at all - ID is merely a rebranding of creationism" suffice?

I am compelled to fall back upon what I presented in post 259. If "Creation", as used interchangeably with "ID" by the authors of "Of Pandas and People" isn't the central tenet of "Creationism", and "Of Pandas and People" isn't an authoritative textbook on (now) "ID", then I'll accept the error of my ways.

If, on the other hand, "Creationism" and "ID" are merely nebulous catchalls for a multitude of dissimilar beliefs (God created the world in 7 days vs. God took his time, ID that rejects evolution vs. ID that accepts evolution, etc.), then I don't feel any responsibility whatsoever for failing to take into account the heretical views of the hellbound who turn their backs upon orthodoxy. = )

As to Judge Jones, am I going to have to review the relevant portions of the Edwards, and Freiler decisions to get some background on his statement? Yes. Am I willing to do that at this time? No.

So, yeah, the portion of Judge Jones' decision that you quoted does appear odd to me, but my opinion is admittedly ignorant.

346 posted on 12/27/2005 11:08:20 AM PST by Hoplite (Prime!!!)
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To: Hoplite

Here is a question for you. When Monsanto produces genetically engineered corn, is that ID ? For if it is, I believe in ID. However, I think ID for the most part are creationists posing as scientists and attributing everything to the supernatural.


356 posted on 12/27/2005 1:33:46 PM PST by staytrue (MOONBAT conservatives are those who would rather lose to a liberal than support a moderate)
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To: Hoplite; jwalsh07
Yep, Mr. Walsh does have a definition of creationism that is not the one used in common parlence on this issue. He uses the term to mean the big bang theory. It certainly has succeeded in confusing his opponents. :)

Judge Jones decided to push the envelope for the reading pleasure of the higher courts, alas not in the Dover case, which is not being appealed, but in other cases, such as Cobb. It I think will do his cause more harm than good. He went way over the top it appears, and stuck his foot in his mouth. But then the trial court judge in Cobb indulged in the same thing, in a more modest way, and the 11th circuit was not pleased.

362 posted on 12/27/2005 5:46:39 PM PST by Torie
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