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To: snarks_when_bored
"It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy."

That is the tortured dilemma of those advancing creationism under the guise of a supposedly secular movement within science. For them, the controversy is not about the hard evidence or any other aspect of science except some perceived contradiction with Genesis. The trojan horse of ID merely adds another layer of transparent dishonesty.

So out of one mouth we get all the usual sniping at the godless heathen materialists. But, out of the other mouth, the protest that we can't notice they're creationists. ID is just a reasoned scientific theory, you see.

236 posted on 12/20/2005 9:15:46 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
"It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy."

The only thing tortured is the decision of a federal judge who either cannot or will not tell the difference between motive and purpose. A judge denouncing the motives of only one side in such a lawsuit and calling them liars based on nothing more than his divination of same, is unseemly in numerous ways, not the least of which is that motive is irrelevant to establishment of a secular purpose. If motive were relevant to justice in this case, then the motives of both sides in the controversy would have been called into question, and they were not. Notice that the judge takes into account the 'motives' of the ID proponents. Does he take into consideration any atheistic motivations of school board opponents? No. Further, does he take into consideration the motive of religious evolutionists? There is no reason that an atheist should not be able to advance a legal purpose based on motives of atheism, and no reason a religious person should not be able to do likewise base on religion motivation. In order to reach his decision he had to implicitly define religion, and in doing so betrays his bias.

The judgment also entails an assumption of power to define science and evolution, something scientists and philosphers of science have so far been unable to agree upon. I wonder which brand of evolution the judge prefers? Is he a Lamarckian, a Darwinist, or a neo-Darwinist, or a believer in some non-Darwian, law-like evolution?

You will say that it doesn't matter, but I think once a government decides it has jurisdiction over some subject matter, and gets its foot in the door it tends to never to go away. IMO that we should have a healthy fear of the federal government by fiat deciding what science is, and is not, and what religion is and is not, particularly for localities. Grant of such a power was never contemplated by the writers of the U.S. Constitution, and in fact I think the Constituion expressly forbids them from it.

Cordially,

572 posted on 12/20/2005 11:19:42 AM PST by Diamond (Qui liberatio scelestus trucido inculpatus.)
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