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Intelligent Design Might Be Meeting Its Maker
The New York Times ^ | December 4, 2005 | LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Posted on 12/03/2005 5:28:45 PM PST by Right Wing Professor

TO read the headlines, intelligent design as a challenge to evolution seems to be building momentum.

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Behind the headlines, however, intelligent design as a field of inquiry is failing to gain the traction its supporters had hoped for. It has gained little support among the academics who should have been its natural allies. And if the intelligent design proponents lose the case in Dover, there could be serious consequences for the movement's credibility.

On college campuses, the movement's theorists are academic pariahs, publicly denounced by their own colleagues. Design proponents have published few papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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To: js1138; narby

Wow. Something else to agree with you on; especially the global warming issue. I don't know many meteorologists that agree with it and I've studied it in my met classes and talked to a few meteorologists at the NWS. It's a real hot button for them.

I think the "better living through chemistry" era did some damage to the credibility of science also and medicine is partly to blame for it. In the mind of the public, there is not much difference between the two. Many pronouncements were made as fact and later found to be wrong. I think this has cut into the general credibility and trust that science once had with the public.

I'm not sure what the answer is for scientists to gain back that trust; it's probably something that the scientists have to figure out themselves. But it is going to be a tough battle because there is not much way of controlling what special interest groups do with the information published by the scientific community.


741 posted on 12/04/2005 6:54:35 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Sun
They seem to think the universe itself will collapse if their theories are not true.

History of course shows this to be wrong.

Science and the search for new knowledge will not go away either if the current cosmology and TOE were dumped. That is another red herring from the contemporary scientists.

Wolf
742 posted on 12/04/2005 6:54:49 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf
That is another red herring from the contemporary scientists.


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743 posted on 12/04/2005 6:57:24 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman
Good to hear from you Coyoteman.

The Wolf is in trouble because he is a pinnacle predator (did I pick the right word?) and will attack humans (as cougars will) and the Coyote is very adaptive.

Back '92 I came upon a cougar on the mountain ridge of Pacfica, CA.

Wolf
744 posted on 12/04/2005 7:12:24 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: balrog666

I have threatened whom? When? Where? How? Talk about an asinine comeback!


745 posted on 12/04/2005 7:16:54 PM PST by Agdistis
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Placemarker.


746 posted on 12/04/2005 7:18:40 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: RunningWolf
Back '92 I came upon a cougar on the mountain ridge of Pacfica, CA.

Wolf

Cougars are just big pussy cats. Been stalked by them couple of times (but they can raise the hair on the back of your neck real quick). In the long run, no big deal. They only eat the lame and weak, and maybe the stray wolf--you must have been lucky.

Now, in the old days, around here, Pacifica too, there were Grizzlies. That was a beast to watch out for.

747 posted on 12/04/2005 7:18:59 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: RightWingAtheist
We just wish they'd shut up.

...we'll see what happens when you try that.

748 posted on 12/04/2005 7:24:56 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Coyoteman
Maybe for you and me. But Women children or a man that runs from them.. And yes a Grizzly is a whole 'nother story..

The best thing is to engage them right now, because once they have to hesitate then it seems they are broken out of their predator mode.

Wolf
750 posted on 12/04/2005 7:32:16 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
you are too stupid and proud

A very cogent argument. Your Nobel Prize awaits.

751 posted on 12/04/2005 7:33:55 PM PST by onewhowatches (Real Soon Now)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
....and you sir, have examples of intelligent design all around you, actually you are literally submerged in it, and you are too stupid and proud to recognize it

You're so right. Why, I remember when I was a kid and got out the microscope to see snowflakes. Intelligently designed, every one of them. [/sarc]

752 posted on 12/04/2005 7:33:56 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: Right Wing Professor
On college campuses, the movement's theorists are academic pariahs, publicly denounced by their own colleagues.

On college campuses, the War on Terror is failing, Iraq is hopeless, socialism rules the day, and France is the greatest nation on earth.

It's undoubtably an honor to be 'denounced' by these brainless idiots, and if your screen name is accurate, I'm sure you've helped quite a bit into cranking out quite a few of these morons.

753 posted on 12/04/2005 7:36:06 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: onewhowatches
Your Nobel Prize awaits.

I'm on pins and needles waiting for the Nobel prize given for the first scientific instrument measuring the presence of God. That's certainly the "holy grail", if anything is. [/sarc]

754 posted on 12/04/2005 7:36:22 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: RunningWolf
Maybe for you and me. But Women children or a man that runs from them.. And yes a Grizzly is a whole 'nother story..

The best thing is to engage them right now, because once they have to hesitate then it seems they are broken out of their predator mode.

Wolf

Yup. See, there is a lot we can agree on.

ps. When in lion country, don't bend down to tie your shoes with nobody to guard your back. That's how most folks around here end up kitty chow.

755 posted on 12/04/2005 7:36:37 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: onewhowatches
It is a cogent argument, and pride is the very root of the belief.

...some guy comes up with a theory that we evolved from some amoebic slime which has never been tested, of course. It's a theory and nothing more.

756 posted on 12/04/2005 7:38:47 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
On college campuses, the War on Terror is failing, Iraq is hopeless, socialism rules the day, and France is the greatest nation on earth.

Politics is one thing, science is another. Learn to tell the difference.

757 posted on 12/04/2005 7:39:06 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: narby
Most open minded scientists consider everything. Not only some narrow minded religion called 'evolution'.
758 posted on 12/04/2005 7:40:42 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
It's a theory and nothing more.

Gravity is a "theory" too. So is "Music theory", that my daughter took in college.

Are you going to dispute that either gravity or music exists?

759 posted on 12/04/2005 7:40:55 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: narby
Politics is one thing, science is another. Learn to tell the difference.

There is no difference today, and that is precisely the point. It's a crypto-science run by a bunch of leftwing crackpots who mold science to fit their own beliefs. Like I said, foolishness.

760 posted on 12/04/2005 7:42:30 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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