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Intelligent Design Might Be Meeting Its Maker
The New York Times ^ | December 4, 2005 | LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Posted on 12/03/2005 5:28:45 PM PST by Right Wing Professor

TO read the headlines, intelligent design as a challenge to evolution seems to be building momentum.

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Behind the headlines, however, intelligent design as a field of inquiry is failing to gain the traction its supporters had hoped for. It has gained little support among the academics who should have been its natural allies. And if the intelligent design proponents lose the case in Dover, there could be serious consequences for the movement's credibility.

On college campuses, the movement's theorists are academic pariahs, publicly denounced by their own colleagues. Design proponents have published few papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; evochat; intelligentdesign
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To: RunningWolf

It's hard for us logical folks to debate with the textbook memorization crowd, but aren't they lucky that we spend a little time with them? :)


721 posted on 12/04/2005 6:08:41 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: Sun
"Speak for yourself. "

Not my concern if you don't want to know what you are.

"No wonder I'm better looking than you. lol"

You know what I look like? Was that you peeking around outside my window last night? :)
722 posted on 12/04/2005 6:09:00 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Sun
It's hard for us logical folks to debate with the textbook memorization crowd, but aren't they lucky that we spend a little time with them? :)

Son, some of us are textbooks and don't have to google every reply.

723 posted on 12/04/2005 6:11:30 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: All

Five evos against two IDers just to make it fair.

The evo scientific community has this here consensus that evolution is the only explanation, but they STILL haven't proved their theory.

It's so difficult to be a logical person these days (sigh).


724 posted on 12/04/2005 6:13:59 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: Coyoteman

"Son, some of us are textbooks and don't have to google every reply."

I thought you said you were an ape. Now you're saying you're a textbook??

Which is it, or maybe there are more choices?


725 posted on 12/04/2005 6:16:06 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: Sun
"The evo scientific community has this here consensus that evolution is the only explanation, but they STILL haven't proved their theory."

No scientific theory has ever been proved. Evolution is in good company.

"It's so difficult to be a logical person these days (sigh)."

Such irony. :)
726 posted on 12/04/2005 6:17:11 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: narby
Well, it seemed on par with we ARE apes. :) LOL!

This food fight I mean debate aside, I think we have agreement and common interests on many other areas.

Like your posts on 'checkpoints' and 'pilot reports' I know of the amateur rocketry you speak of and I am surprised it is even still out there after 9-11. When I was familiar with amateur rocketry you could by motors thru the mail that would go to 20K'

Wolf
727 posted on 12/04/2005 6:17:18 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Dimensio

Higher, in Augustinian terms.


728 posted on 12/04/2005 6:19:03 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Atheists don’t believe in God because (they think) they can’t see God. nothing else)
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Valley of the trolls, placemarker.
729 posted on 12/04/2005 6:21:31 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Sun

Nope - no scattershot debates. Pick your favorite from those pages - or somewhere else, if you like - present it, and we'll go from there. One argument at a time.


730 posted on 12/04/2005 6:21:34 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow (Sneering condescension.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Valley of the trolls, placemarker.

LOL

It's hard to tell the trolls without a program....

731 posted on 12/04/2005 6:25:51 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

You first.

Age before beauty. :)


732 posted on 12/04/2005 6:27:04 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: Sun

Hey, I think it's all crap. Wanna just leave it at that, then? :)


733 posted on 12/04/2005 6:33:02 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow (Sneering condescension.)
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To: Sun; Senator Bedfellow
I noticed you never responded to MY critique (post 579) of one of your links. Your link was a joke. Why should the good Senator answer you when don't even bother to acknowledge our critiques?
734 posted on 12/04/2005 6:34:33 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Agdistis; CarolinaGuitarman
If you wish to believe you came from a drip and evolved from an ape then so be it but don't push your ideas onto me. :)

I didn't accept the idea of evolution before I was 8 either.

735 posted on 12/04/2005 6:36:27 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ( the Wedge Document ... offers a message of hope for Muslims - Mustafa Akyol)
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To: Sun
They certainly are lucky.

But its uncomfortable being on all four all the time, and imitating an ape for the sake of argument. And having 2/3ds of my brain tied up is dam uncomfortable too.

Wolf
736 posted on 12/04/2005 6:41:39 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Sun
Son, some of us are textbooks and don't have to google every reply.

I thought you said you were an ape. Now you're saying you're a textbook??

Which is it, or maybe there are more choices?

Good sense of humor. It is appreciated.

737 posted on 12/04/2005 6:46:40 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: RunningWolf
But its uncomfortable being on all four all the time

You know the wolf is on life support.

But the Coyote is doing just fine, raiding the Beverly Hills back yards, dining on household pets. No wonder the local Indians liked the Coyote better!

738 posted on 12/04/2005 6:50:57 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Jeff Gordon

OK, you're too subtle for me. I take it then you did then understand what was meant. Why do you consider it ridiculous?


739 posted on 12/04/2005 6:52:30 PM PST by edsheppa
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To: narby
The usual invincible ignorance PLACEMARKER.
740 posted on 12/04/2005 6:53:58 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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