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To: Heartlander
I went through most of the sign-up as a test. I quit at the point I thought I'd have to be dishonest to try to get in. IMO, a lie (telling the owner why you want to be in the listserv) would be required to get into this group of only 108, if you were not like minded.

If you consider lying to be okay to gain access to what is intended to be confidential correspondence, then I guess you can consider his email to be public record.

In any case, he was stupid to post what he did where he did because dishonest people could fairly easily gain access to it. Dishonest people can gain access to my emails, my mail, and everything I've ever written down and didn't destroy, but it would be more difficult.

And, BTW, I'm not an aethiest or agnostic, so I won't be getting the shirt.
585 posted on 11/30/2005 6:25:50 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: ml1954
If you consider lying to be okay to gain access to what is intended to be confidential correspondence, then I guess you can consider his email to be public record.

What are you saying? Because I posted his Email I am a liar? Be specific…

The liar is inescapably concerned with truth-values. In order to invent a lie at all, he must think he knows what is the truth. And in order to invent an effective lie, he must design his falsehood under the guidance of truth…

The word sh*t does, to be sure, suggest this. Excrement is not designed or crafted at all; it is merely emitted or dumped. It may have a more or less coherent shape, or it may not, but it is in any case not wrought.
-On Bullshit by Harry G. Frankfurt

IMHO, these two simple quotes sum up this whole debate. Sh*t is not designed – and I do not think anyone would look for truth from sh*t. But for anyone to demand that no ‘design’ was required for intelligence, they must rely on something to form their truth to counter accusations that contradict their philosophy from… basically sh*t.

Seriously, think about it… No intelligent design in our very being? Where does this leave us and who is rolling over into - mythology?

BTW, I got the Email from here … A forum with agnostics who still see ID as a plausible cause… And I merely posted the source that the original Email came from…

589 posted on 11/30/2005 7:02:22 PM PST by Heartlander (Doing my part to expose the atheist ‘fundies’… Merry Christmas!)
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