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To: metmom; aNYCguy
Hi there Metmom. Good to see you in a thread.

There have many comments on *the ramblings of bronze age goat herders*

Indeed, it is not unknown for me to post such things myself. Though I would prefer to say "campfire tales" rather than "ramblings" which I consider to be less pejorative.

Genesis is a great story, and the triumph of the Western World over the last thousand years would suggest that Christian societies are often powerful and enquiring societies. But some modern Christians take those tales to be literal revealed truth, to be interpreted as if they were a science and history textbook. There is considerable evidence that even our ancestors could see that this was not so, and that in particular tales like Noah's Ark and the Tower of Babel are absurdities that don't bear serious critical examination. Captain Fitzroy, the fundamentalist Christian captain of the Beagle, who believed that Genesis was literal truth, was considered odd for his beliefs even in those days by his officers.

Again and again in these threads however we are told that it is Christianity OR Common Descent. The fundamentalists will allow no middle ground. If you don't reject common descent they will tell even you that you aren't really a Christian. Evolution is held to be equivalent to atheism, the signed letter of 10,000 clergy to the contrary notwithstanding. Presumably those clergy aren't Christians either.

240 posted on 11/30/2005 8:15:19 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Thatcherite
Christianity OR Common Descent

I also reject the simple dichotomy. We need to be more careful Conceptions of Christianity differ. The concept of Common Descent is sometimes misapplied.

246 posted on 11/30/2005 8:32:28 AM PST by cornelis
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