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Kansas Prof. Apologizes for E-Mail [referred to religious conservatives as "fundies" ....]
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Posted on 11/29/2005 9:31:13 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Kansas Prof. Apologizes for E-Mail

11 minutes ago

A University of Kansas religion professor apologized for an e-mail that referred to religious conservatives as "fundies" and said a course describing intelligent design as mythology would be a "nice slap in their big fat face."

In a written apology Monday, Paul Mirecki, chairman of the university's Religious Studies Department, said he would teach the planned class "as a serious academic subject and in an manner that respects all points of view."

The department faculty approved the course Monday but changed its title. The course, originally called "Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationisms and other Religious Mythologies," will instead be called "Intelligent Design and Creationism."

The class was added to next spring's curriculum after the Kansas State Board of Education decided to include more criticism of evolution in its standards for science teaching. The vote was seen as a big win for proponents of intelligent design, who argue that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power.

Critics say intelligent design is merely creationism — a literal reading of the Bible's story of creation — camouflaged in scientific language.

Mirecki's e-mail was sent Nov. 19 to members of the Society of Open-Minded Atheists and Agnostics, a student organization for which he serves as faculty adviser.

"The fundies (fundamentalists) want it all taught in a science class, but this will be a nice slap in their big fat face by teaching it as a religious studies class under the category mythology."

Mirecki addressed the message to "my fellow damned" and signed off with: "Doing my part to (tick) off the religious right, Evil Dr. P."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


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KEYWORDS: academia; apology; crevolist; dems; evocreeps; fundies; highereducation; ku; libs; mirecki; pubs; scienceeducation
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To: js1138
... citizens of Crete.

Hee hee. Tangential point: I've read that in the days before Crete got a bad reputation, the "honor" when to Boeotia.

341 posted on 11/30/2005 11:06:55 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, dotard, common scold, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: mware
Survival????

No, survival is just what happens, it isn't a directed goal. If genes were conscious and could direct their mutations then you could start talking about the goal of survival, but that isn't the case.

342 posted on 11/30/2005 11:07:28 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: teawithmisswilliams
who question Darwin's theory, which include many

nonfundamentalist Christians

...And...

All Muslims

All Scientologists

All Moonies

...But does not include...

Almost all (if any) Biologists

Almost all Catholics

Almost all Episcopalians, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc

..His simple-minded hostility towards Christianity..

What hostility toward Christianity? The hostility in his e-mail was directed at "fundies" - I suspect that he includes Muslims in this category.

Granted, at the present time in Kansas it's primarily the Christian creationists and their ID catspaws who are threatening the integrity of science education, although even they have called on a Turkish Muslim and the Discovery Institute (which I believe has ties to the Moonies, but I'm not 100% sure) for assistance.

If this professor were in Turkey, and had the b@lls, he'd be denounced as an enemy of Islam.

AFAIK, it is already illegal to teach evolution in Iran and Saudi Arabia.

343 posted on 11/30/2005 11:09:29 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: PatrickHenry

Or the latest wave of immigrants anywhere.


344 posted on 11/30/2005 11:12:52 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: furball4paws
I am in no way against modern medicine. But we have screwed around with the natural mechanisms of evolution because of it. The implication is that we cannot stop half way or our gene pool will be badly corrupted. So we must persist until we have the means to correct genetic defects by means other than natural selection.

I am right with you there. But I suspect that if technical civilisation were to collapse those who are "unfit" in a biological sense in the wild would be the least of our problems. Not 1% of the human race would survive the decade.

345 posted on 11/30/2005 11:13:08 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: cornelis

You are getting your levels of explanation confused. For individual organisms survival appears to be a goal because they all spring from a long line of survivors. None of our billions of ancestors back to a primordial swamp suicided before reproducing, so a tendency against suicide should hardly be surprising.


346 posted on 11/30/2005 11:16:36 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: cornelis
" I hope you arent' trying to remove motion from the world."

No.

" All motion is teleological, whether predetermined or not."

Not in the way you mean it. There are many ways that *teleology* is used. You are talking about *cosmic teleology*.
This is different from teleomatic and teleonomic processes. Teleomatic processes are those of inanimate matter where the process moves toward an end state. Gravity is a good example. Teleonomic processes are ones that owe their goal-directedness to the operation of a program. Behavior is a good example here.

Cosmic teleology deals with the goals of the universe as a whole, it's purpose. It's not possible for their to be an ultimate goal for natural selection.
347 posted on 11/30/2005 11:17:05 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Virginia-American

Why is evolution considered anti-Christian? Last time I looked there were about 60 million Roman Catholics in the U.S. -- two or three times the number of evangelicals. Catholics can believe what they want about evolution, but the church leadership teaches that evolution is an historic fact.


348 posted on 11/30/2005 11:17:48 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138

Plenty of Freeper anti-evolutionists declare that it is impossible to both accept evolution and be a Christian. I think they are quite comfortable with the idea that Catholics and most nominal Protestants are not Christians.


349 posted on 11/30/2005 11:20:09 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Thatcherite
No True Scotsman Christian placemark
350 posted on 11/30/2005 11:22:52 AM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: aNYCguy; Admin Moderator; Mamzelle
The troll referred to is Mamzelle....

I know you don't care if you are rude and obnoxious as long as you can blame others for acting like you, but when you call a freeper a troll, it is common courtesy to ping them to that post so that they can defend themselves.

If you don't want Mamzelle to post or ping to you, then you'd best not violate forum rules by calling her names and otherwise slandering her on the threads.

351 posted on 11/30/2005 11:23:22 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: cornelis

Don't anthropomorphize non-human processes.


352 posted on 11/30/2005 11:26:58 AM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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353 posted on 11/30/2005 11:30:31 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, dotard, common scold, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: Thatcherite
You are getting your levels of explanation confused.

I'm glad you raised the point. Knowing that science is limited in its scope of study, we can now say that the "it is" mentioned above cannot possibly be the totality of all things but exists within a context of other events.

354 posted on 11/30/2005 11:31:15 AM PST by cornelis
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To: furball4paws

As in don't deevolutionize motion?


355 posted on 11/30/2005 11:32:12 AM PST by cornelis
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Collapsing into incoherence placemarker.


356 posted on 11/30/2005 11:32:59 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: PatrickHenry

Your fascist picture doesn't post properly. Fascist.


357 posted on 11/30/2005 11:33:20 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow (Sneering condescension.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

You've got a long way to go before you get a real evo-troll's tagline.


358 posted on 11/30/2005 11:34:18 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Doesn't it show up?


359 posted on 11/30/2005 11:35:09 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, dotard, common scold, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: Thatcherite

I prefer the ice-pick over the shotgun :)


360 posted on 11/30/2005 11:35:18 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow (Sneering condescension.)
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