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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 17

Posted on 11/05/2005 1:26:38 PM PST by Slings and Arrows

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To: presently no screen name

Yes PNSN they really are an embarassment. !! They just don't quit with the embarassingly stupid "excuses" for answers.


2,201 posted on 12/28/2005 2:06:45 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: shebacal

Yes I can see the complications. However, this will NOT stop Beth. It seems to me that it would be in their best interests to "solve" this case one way or another to get it out of the headlines.

If ALE doesn't solve it I'm sure Beth and those assisting her may have some ideas.


2,202 posted on 12/28/2005 2:15:20 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: nuntukamen

LOL - I think you just said what I was saying only you said it a little better.


2,203 posted on 12/28/2005 2:16:31 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: nuntukamen

My husband and I were watching an A&E program on the cruise lines last night. He said " A cruise would be the LAST thing I would ever choose to do for a vacation". No argument from me on that one.


2,204 posted on 12/28/2005 2:18:50 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: nuntukamen

WHO specifically would we email or write nuntuk??


2,205 posted on 12/28/2005 2:21:28 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Alas, I'm talking to myself since I've not been near the computer for nearly a week LOL!! BBL


2,206 posted on 12/28/2005 2:22:23 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: justche

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2,207 posted on 12/28/2005 10:20:07 PM PST by justche (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Damn straight, I'll cast the first stone!" - MeanWestTexan)
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To: All
Diario giving a one-sided interview with Urine:

Diario Online

den entrevista via telefon cu Joran van der Sloot: “AMI SI LO A DEMANDA ESNAN RESPONSABLE PA MANIPULACION DI E TAPE”, refiriendo na e supuesto manipulacion di e grabacion di Deepak

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Recientemente DIARIO a logra di entrevista Joran van der Sloot via telefon y a puntre con ta bayendo awor cu e ta bek na Aruba.

Manera ta conoci Joran a yega Aruba dia 14 di December, pa pasa Pasco y aña nobo cu su famia, despues cu el a bay Hulanda algun luna pasa pa studia.

El a confirma na DIARIO cu e ta studiando Internacional Business y cu esaki ta bayendo hopi bon.

El a splica cu te ainda e no a sali bay ningun fiesta, sino e ta ricibi bishita di amigo y famia y e ta gozando di su tempo cu su sernan keri.

DIARIO a puntre si e ta wordo reconoci riba caya, unda cu el a bisa cu berdad esaki ta e caso.

Te ainda ora cu el a sali bay den caya, diferente hende a reconoce y a desee un bon Pasco y feliz aña nobo pa e y su famia.

Joran a splica DIARIO cu e no por papia riba detayenan di e caso, te cu esaki wordo resolvi, pero el a bisa si cu e no ta kere cu ta husto loke mama di Natalee Holloway ta purbando di hasi cu Aruba, pa loke ta e boycott.

El a bisa cu e ta compronde cu e mama quizas tin rabia riba dje, pasobra e ta kere cu e tin algo di haber cu desaparicion di Natalee, pero esaki no ta motibo di cuminza un boycott riba Aruba.

Joran a bisa si cu e rabia di Beth Twitty ta infunda, pasobra e no a hasi nada malo cu e hoben Mericano.

Pa loke ta henter e asunto di e grabacion di Deepak Kalpoe, unda cu supuestamente e programa di dr Phil lo a manipula e tape, Joran a bisa DIARIO cu e no ta compronde dicon Deepak no a busca un manera di demanda e programa.

Na final di e entrevista el a bisa cu e ta contento cu e no a wordo molestia pa prensa ainda aki na Aruba awor cu e ta bek y cu e ta contento di ta bek un tempo cu su famia.

Inadequate translation:

In interview via telephone with Joran Van Der Sloot: “ami if will owing to demanda esnan responsable for manipulacion of the tape”, refiriendo at the supuesto manipulacion of the grabacion of Deepak.

Oranjestad(aan): recientemente 'Diario' owing to succeed of interview Joran Van Der Sloot via telephone and owing to ask con is bayendo now with the is back at Aruba.

As is conoci Joran owing to arrive Aruba day 14 of December, for happen Christmas and New Year with his family, after with past owing to bay the Netherlands some month happen for study.

Past owing to confirm at 'Diario' with the is studying international business and with this is bayendo much good.

Past owing to splica with till still the not owing to leave bay none party, but the is ricibi visit of friend and family and the is enjoyment of his time with his sernan keri.

'Diario' owing to puntre if the is wordo reconoci on caya, where with past owing to tell with truth this is the case.

Till still hour with past owing to leave bay in caya, various person owing to reconoce and owing to desee one good Christmas and Happy New Year for him and his family.

Joran owing to splica 'Diario' with the not can talk on details of the case, till with this wordo resolvi, but past owing to tell if with the do not believe with is fair thing mother of Natalee Holloway is purbando of make with Aruba, for thing is the boycott.

Past owing to tell with the is compronde with the mother quizas have angry on dje, because the is believe with the have something of to do with disappearance of Natalee, but this do not grounds of commence one boycott on Aruba.

Joran owing to tell if with the angry of Beth Twitty is infunda, because the not owing to make nothing bad with the young American.

For thing is all the asunto of the grabacion of Deepak Kalpoe, where with supuestamente the declaration of policy of Dr Phil will owing to manipula the tape, Joran owing to tell 'Diario' with the do not compronde dicon Deepak not owing to seek one as of demanda the declaration of policy.

At end of the interview past owing to tell with the is contented with the not owing to wordo tired for prensa still here at Aruba now with the is back and with the is contented of is back one time with his family.

2,208 posted on 12/28/2005 10:48:18 PM PST by shebacal
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Diario Online

Incredible but true, police detain two young of 13 years for selling drugs on beach at tourist.

Oranjestad (aan): Tuesday assure officials with owing to place hand on three persons on beach, owing to stay surprise with two of the child man have 13 years and one of three detained have 20 years.


2,209 posted on 12/28/2005 11:17:26 PM PST by shebacal
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www.scaredmonkeys.com/.

Joran Van der Sloot’s Take Home Test - Dec. 28th, 2005



“What I’m confused on is that I had a very good source tell me that the boys or Joran especially has already a list of the questions that is going to be asked of him”.

(Dave Holloway, The Abrams Report’ for Dec. 23, 2005)


Dave Holloway: “I had a very good source tell me that the boys or Joran especially has already a list of the questions”
December 27th, 2005 - ‘The Abrams Report’ for December 23, 2005

SM: Dave Holloway responds to the news that Joran and the other two suspects are going to be re-interviewed. Dave’s comment is as follows:

"Well I’m not really sure how to gauge it at this point in time, Lisa, but I’m encouraged anytime they bring them back in for questioning. What I’m confused on is that I had a very good source tell me that the boys or Joran especially has already a list of the questions that is going to be asked of him."

"My source tells me that he knows what’s going to be asked and that information was provided to him approximately two weeks ago."

SM: One wonders if true, why the pop quiz suddenly became a take home test? These comments are not coming from Beth Twitty, who everyone that sides with the suspects would immediately find fault with the comments. These words are coming from Dave Holloway. I truly hope for Aruba’s sake that these suspects were not given the questions in advance, because it will come out. This all just plays into the reason why so many have doubts with the investigation. As Dave Holloway commented regarding the efforts by the ALE to bring Joran in for questioning, “It’s—it may be all for show. Who knows?”
2,210 posted on 12/28/2005 11:25:26 PM PST by shebacal
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To: Canadian Outrage

That's right, I am tired of hearing that Beth was at fault in some way. Haven't seen Beth lately but the other day she was on one of the talking head shows, she is going to go to schools and tell other teens the dangers out there.


2,211 posted on 12/29/2005 4:26:48 AM PST by stopem (God Bless America!)
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To: Canadian Outrage

i have been taking the names prominent in articles, running their name in dogpile.com (the world's most extensive search engine) and adding "contact us", and hunting them down via that path...anyone aruban i attempt to emphasize that this is NOT going away, will only grow in proportion to their rationalizing no arrests or active prosecution, and that it is already expanding to dutch products and other boycott venues here in the united states...anyone stateside we appeal for them to publicly join in the outcry for the sake of every traveling man, woman and child of north american descent and to insist on judication in this crime for the exact same reasons of safe travel...we also emphasize the loss of amy bradley and others to remind them this is not an isolated occurrence...i can assure you from my political days that 5 or 6 of these arriving from different points to the same desktop initiates tremendous and surprising results, more and it is like a tsunami of energy for the cause...i'd like to commission a bronze statue of natalee dancing on the beach for permanent placement in aruba, maybe next to the paulus house, but better for the beach area by the huts where she likely died, so every traveling tourist would be reminded she is still there for all time as an angel of safe travel...unfortunately, the aruban government will never allow its placement, should it ever be created...but once the story is out and the geographical facts known, something might be possible then, since aruba will be eating crow for eons to come and may try and offset that by allowing a memorial that is more than a little wooden cross to remind the aruban suckheads their wellbeing comes predominately in from the north and the united states: kill one of us; kill yourselves...protect us as valued guests and the aruban wallet is safe, too (the only value they know)


2,212 posted on 12/29/2005 10:21:44 AM PST by nuntukamen ("where ever you go, there you are"...Buckaroo Banzai)
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To: shebacal

it is also wise to repeat joran, his father's, and the kalpoes names in these communications...the diario article is such hogwash: we need to make them realize only one small group of human beings is responsible --the above mentioned


2,213 posted on 12/29/2005 10:25:21 AM PST by nuntukamen ("where ever you go, there you are"...Buckaroo Banzai)
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To: nuntukamen

and, finally on this issue, it is tremendously important to make these letters void of overt anger and threat...this needs to be stated as matter of factly as the perps claim to have just left her on the beach...the more calm, the more quietly stated, the more impact these actually have on the folks who truly can improve the conditions we are witnessing


2,214 posted on 12/29/2005 10:47:22 AM PST by nuntukamen ("where ever you go, there you are"...Buckaroo Banzai)
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To: nuntukamen; shebacal; Canadian Outrage; stopem; LucyT

Good work and great advice, Nuntukamen.

Sheba, as always, thanks for bringing us information.
LucyT, thanks for your contributions, as well.

CO, you are never just talking to yourself. I always catch up with you at some point in time. I read every word on this thread. I just haven't had the time to say much lately.

Stopem, I saw Beth on O'Rielly last night. She talked about sharing Natalee's message at schools. Said she's heard nothing about the suspects being re-interrogated.

Justche, just saying 'howdy' to you.


2,215 posted on 12/29/2005 12:57:13 PM PST by RGVTx (Boycott Aruba/NL products list http://ashvickers.tripod.com/id2.html)
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To: shebacal

It's actually they have been given a list of answers not questions. Trying to put together the timeline, but they can't. No doubt Paulus wrote the answers and the police need help coming up with questions.

I heard they will charge Natalee with assaulting Joran, because he said so.

Arubadirtypolice


2,216 posted on 12/29/2005 2:33:22 PM PST by deetch (Frank)
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To: deetch
No doubt Paulus wrote the answers and the police need help coming up with questions.

LOL, deetch. This reminds me of the city where I used to live, where the city manager asked the local fire truck company (who was slated to get the new fire truck contract) to send him a list of specs on the very fire truck the company had available to sell to the city, so the city could prepare a fire truck purchase proposal that would be tailor-made to fit that company's fire truck. The city manager made the mistake of putting the request in writing in a memo which went into the city files.

After a hint from an unnamed source, I asked to see the city's fire dept equip file, found the comprimising city manager's memo to the fire truck company, and paid $30 in copy fees to get copies of the entire file (so the city would not know what I was zeroing in on), then turned it over to the county grand jury chairman, who issued a scathing report on our city's equipment purchasing procedure, and the grand jury forced the city to, at long last, pass a bid procedure ordinance, instead of the old friend-of-the-city-manager system.

2,217 posted on 12/29/2005 6:46:21 PM PST by shebacal
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To: deetch

I heard they will charge Natalee with assaulting Joran, because he said so.


Assault Joran? - yeah, fighting for her life. Charge her? LOL! I hope they make that public. More ammo for our boycotting this 'unsafe' cesspool. If you aren't kidnapped or killed, you may end up in jail for whatever because a 'resident killer' said so.


2,218 posted on 12/29/2005 6:52:17 PM PST by presently no screen name
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On Rita Cosby, tonight, with Jane Velez Mitchell:

Jane: Yoran admitted to a Diario reporter that he had consensual sex with natalee while she was going in and out of consciousness.

Jossy of Diario, confirmed that was what Yoran told his reporter.

Police or prosecutor to send Yoran a new round of questions.

John Kelly: Yoran's admission constitutes rape, why is he still walking around?

Jane: Yoran has said he will give details of what happened to Natalee when he is sure he will not be prosecuted.

When Jane reminded Steve Cohen he said 10 days for Yoran & K-2's to be requestioned and time will be up tomorrow, Cohen said, "Your are being overly severe with me".

Kelly asked what's the holdup for bringing Yoran in for questions.

Yoran has said "When this is all solved, I will come out and tell the real story".

Jossy said, "He will put all the blame on the girl".

Kelly: "Don't know what they are taking so long to prepare for re-questioning. Yoran is taunting the family and public."

Asked about drop in tourism, Cohen said he was not going to pretend that tourism isn't off a few percentage points.Aruba can't get back to where we want to be until this is solved.

Kelly: Regarding Christmas and how Beth is doing, he said Beth said she never thought she would get through that day.
2,219 posted on 12/29/2005 6:58:49 PM PST by shebacal
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On Joe Scarborough tonight:

Joe: "Where is Natalee?"

Joe asks Stacey Honowitz what she thinks about Aruban officials saying Beth hurt the investigation. Stacey said, "It's so ridiculous, how could Beth possibly hurt the investigation. If she didn't press forward, nothing would have happened. Aruba sat on it - they let these guys go."

Ronald Richards: "Beth was a hindrance to the investigation. This was a son of a judge. All Beth is doing is making Aruban officials angry. We don't have a body - you don't know who did it. You get more bees with honey than with vinegar."

Stacey said, are you saying if you are a son of a judge, it's OK? (or words to that effect)

Joe: "Cover up going on. Arrest 2 black guys - let these 3 guys go around for 10 days while they clean up. Never checked the well in Paulus Van Der Sloot's back yard."

Ron Richards: "Beth should have taken lessons in public relations."

Joe: "God help anybody if my children are harmed and the law enforcement covers it up."

Ronald: "Who says it's a cover-up?"

Joe: Come on!! Who doesn't say it's a cover-up?"

2,220 posted on 12/29/2005 7:39:32 PM PST by shebacal
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