yup, I do I went by netcraft and they were wrong.

Either you're lying or you can't read or you're just lazy. I'm saying it's probably a combination of all three.

Here's the netcraft table for opensuse.org. www.opensuse.org shows basically the same thing; however, it has more of a history. Everyone knows netcraft can be wrong, so you must check the all the attributes and compare them to against common sense. But anyway if you look at this table below you'll see all you need on netcraft (the site you supposedly used).

Site Search

Site report for opensuse.org

Site	http://opensuse.org	Last reboot	47 days ago
Domain	opensuse.org	Netblock owner	Novell, Inc.
IP address	130.57.4.70	Site rank	64436
Country	US	Nameserver	userdb.suse.de
Date first seen	September 2005	DNS admin	sysadmin@suse.de
Domain Registry	publicinterestregistry.net	Reverse DNS	simias-project.net
Organisation	Novell, Inc., 1800 South Novell Place, Provo, 84606, United States	Nameserver Organisation	SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, Nuernberg, 90409, Germany
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Hosting History
Netblock Owner	IP address	OS	Web Server	Last changed
Novell, Inc. 1800 South Novell Place Provo UT US 84606	130.57.4.70	Linux	Apache/2.0.48 SUSE LINUX	21-Sep-2005
Novell, Inc. 1800 South Novell Place Provo UT US 84606	130.57.4.24	NetWare	Apache/2.0.49 Linux/SuSE	9-Aug-2005

and the point of subjecting encryption algorithms to public scrutiny is to find out if they are secure.

That's one way of stress testing them, even though a lot if not most have been cracked anyway. But the lynchpin of encryption security will always be maintaining the secrecy of the key. Are you not agreeing with that?

Let's see you first said... Im going off of netware, what are your sources?

Then you changed and said... Sure, I went by netcraft and they were wrong... point?

So which one is it? Are you mistaken before or are you mistaken now? Or are you still confused because netcraft shows it as being Linux.

Ouch...this one is going to leave a mark.

now run the netcraft report for www.opensuse.org

"Im going off of netware, what are your sources?"

%s/netware/netcraft

and netcraft shows the os as netware for *www.opensuse.org*

Give it up, LOL.

http://www.zone-h.org/en/defacements/view/id=2917390/

Date/time: 2005/10/02 01:23

Defacer: IHS IRAN HACKERS SABOTAGE

Domain: http://www.opensuse.org

Mirror: Display mirror

IP address: 130.57.4.24

System: Linux

Web server: Apache

Attack method:

Extra information: special defacement, mass defacement

Im going off of netware, what are your sources?

See there you go again...

Let me recap it for you...I said in post #12,

fqc: "What are the chances the found a hole in SUSE Linux because the could read the source code? That can't be the reason why because the OSS crowd has assured me that the more eyes on code ensures that it's secure."

N3WBI3: "Umm the servers hacked were netware not Linux.."

So you tried a smug little misdirection in which you're trying to get the attention off linux (trying to hide the facts as Novell is doing).

What's important is what you didn't say. You could have said the servers were novell; however, it could have happened to Linux as well. But no your smug answer implies that it can't happen to Linux.

But wait there's more...you then post this garbage:

N3WBI3: "The hole which was the reason for this hacking had *0* to do with the GPL, Linux, or any of the other combustible turds you bring to threads. The hole was in a closed source operating system."

Let's see why would you point out that this hack had *0* to do with GPL or Linux unless you meant to imply Linux is obviously way more secure than closed source. In fact you even blamed closed source.

And that compustible turd just blew up in your face and you have sh!t all over you. This is classic. I'll need to book mark this one.

But wait there's more...you then post this garbage: N3WBI3: "The hole which was the reason for this hacking had *0* to do with the GPL, Linux, or any of the other combustible turds you bring to threads. The hole was in a closed source operating system."

Nice recap. Then he accused me of being a shill, after posting that garbarge.

did you run netcraft on www.opensuse.org yet?

%s/netware/netcraft

I'm not one to over criticize typos...I do it all the time, but that's a pretty big typo and one that went uncorrected after you re-read. It didn't get corrected until I called you on it.

But even if you meant netcraft...it still shows apache suse linux for www.opensuse.org. Here's what I see on that page...Apache/2.0.49 Linux/SuSE Linux/SuSe I assume Means it's SuSe Linux, no? But then you have trouble understanding how similar a Windows Royalty Free license is to the PDF use license, so I should understand that you aren't able to read for understanding.

Interestingly, 1 server is running Linux, the 2 others running Netware. Sounds like someone's password got compromised.

Or gave it to a "friend".

Still shilling? LOL, obviously.

ZoneH verified attacks today:

52 single IP

79 mass defacements

Linux (66.4%)

Win 2003 (24.4%)

Win NT9x (3.8%)

Win 2000 (3.8%)

FreeBSD (1.5%)

did you run netcraft on www.opensuse.org yet?

Yes, it says: Apache/2.0.49 Linux/SuSE

Do you want to post something else today just to be proven wrong (again).

What does it say under operating system?

so you think its really odd that in a conversation about netware and netcraft the two might get mixed up?

Apache/2.0.49 Linux/SuSE

The webserver is all well and nice but what does it say under *OS*

Getting so pissed that you cant even admit what is says under OS and then you insult me... Wow the level of discourse around here is so 9th grade..

Im out have a nice night..

Still clinging to the netcraft data that even mentions Linux? I've already given you the site where the hack was reported several times which indicates Linux. You're beyond a joke, especially when you refer to those of us blowing your propoganda away as shills.

But the lynchpin of encryption security will always be maintaining the secrecy of the key. Are you not agreeing with that?

Hello? Took a break for dinner, or left for good?