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The Law of Increasing Returns (Malthus Was Wrong)

From Malthus and Darwin to Eugenics

1 posted on 09/29/2005 2:21:05 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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"Welfare to the needy would only increase their dependence and encourage the breeding of still more hungry mouths to feed, said critics."

167 years later, nothing has changed


2 posted on 09/29/2005 2:25:57 PM PDT by calrighty (`Nobody)
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Malthus held technology constant, which is silly. Subject to his assumptions, Malthus was correct, but his assumptions were flawed. Though, with what we knew of economics at the time, Malthus was cutting edge.


3 posted on 09/29/2005 2:26:26 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo ("Give a man a fish, make him a Democrat. Teach a man to fish, make him a Republican.")
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there is a hard ceiling to food production, though Malthus (in ignorance of future technologies) greatly underestimated it.

We have not reached it, yet.

doesn't mean we won't. If/When we do, Malthus' nighmare scenario will come to pass.


5 posted on 09/29/2005 2:30:10 PM PDT by King Prout (19sep05 - I want at least 2 Saiga-12 shotguns. If you have leads, let me know)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
An article from 2001 in "Breaking News" ???

What, are you a slow reader or something?

6 posted on 09/29/2005 2:30:29 PM PDT by Coyoteman (New tagline coming soon)
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Associating evolution with eugenics. Hummm.

Kind of like associating Christians with Jim Jones.

7 posted on 09/29/2005 2:39:28 PM PDT by narby
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Social Darwinism had a pretty good run, but it was over in America early in the 20th century.


13 posted on 09/29/2005 2:49:01 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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Malthus warned against shortages of food at just the exact time when the industrial revolution was paving the way for an undreamed of increase in the ability to produce it.

I am not at all sure that the premise of this article that the industrial revolution by 1838 had made only the capitalists rich. There was clearly a displacement of labor, and the creation for the first time of an urban, as opposed to a rural, underclass, but many people moved to the cities because they thought it would improve their lot in life. I think we tend to exaggerate the benefits of rural living.

Finally, there is evidence all over the world that industrial populations tend to self-limit. The consequences of underpopulation [expressed in the aging of populations] threatens to be as big a problem as overpopulation.


20 posted on 09/29/2005 3:11:11 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux ("I'll have the moo goo gai pan without the pan, and some pans.")
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I ran across this quote from Thomas H. Huxley, Darwin's defender.

"The two most important questions in science are 'What can I know?' and 'How can I know it?'"
"Science and religion part ways over the first question, what each can know. Religion, and to some extent philosophy, believes that it can know, or at least address, the question, 'Why?'"
"The question 'why' is too deep for science. Science instead believes it can only learn 'how' something occurs."

There was a lot more, but basically, he said that science does not reject religion. They are not working on the same problems or seeking the same answers. It is religion that rejects science. Looks like it still does.


55 posted on 09/29/2005 4:44:58 PM PDT by jim_trent
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To: PatrickHenry

Ping.


74 posted on 09/29/2005 6:23:36 PM PDT by Junior (Some drink to silence the voices in their heads. I drink to understand them.)
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