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To: gbcdoj; dsc; Gerard.P
The Pope has no right to his office?

You're smarter than that to know that's not what he meant. [sigh] You do better at presenting your argument when you don't use tactics like this.

The pope [and other church men] have no right to attempt to destroy the Church, either purposefully, misguidedly or by neglecting their duties. The pope and bishops are by free will permitted to try. Although they will not be permitted to succeed they can do a heck of a lot of damage in the meantime. We are obligated to resist being spiritual casualties of their efforts.

92 posted on 09/23/2005 7:30:52 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: murphE; dsc
You're smarter than that to know that's not what he meant.

He said:

You insist on obedience to enemies of the Church simply because they briefly occupy offices to which they have no right.

If he's not talking about the Pope, then who? What "enemies of the Church" have I been insisting on obedience to?

93 posted on 09/23/2005 7:35:49 AM PDT by gbcdoj (Let us ask the Lord with tears, that according to his will so he would shew his mercy to us Jud 8:17)
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To: murphE

We are obligated to resist being spiritual casualties of their efforts.

Excellent point! One of the consistent defenses that neos (and I'm not talking about gbcdoj, I'm referring to the overly emotional Envoy/Cath Answers/ EWTN crowd) fall back on when confronted with the realities of the current crisis is : "Well, the Church is indefectible and Christ is the winner in the end." As if they think that is a guarantee of their personal salvation.

94 posted on 09/23/2005 7:37:37 AM PDT by Gerard.P (The lips of liberals drip with honey while their hands drip with blood--Bishop Williamson)
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