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Good Morning Monkeys. Overnight recap --
sleuth posted a recap of 100 pages up to 3:21 am 8/24 here: http://tinyurl.com/cvqhk This is an excellent place to start the daytime shift and includes good links to lots of information. Nice work sleuth.
Greta Tues 8/23 (full transcript not up yet)
Greta: Do you see any legal evidence of the crime of murder?
Chris Lejuez? & David Kock (Satish’s attorneys?) -- have not seen it up till now, not from the beginning up till now ... have never seen any forensic evidence showing that there has been any kind of violent criminal activity ...haven't seen any statements, haven't heard of any statements or any kind of forensic evidence ... don't know if they have any, believe they don't.
Catherine Crier Court TV Tues 8/23: Interviewed Jossy re. the 3 local Aruba girls. One, age 17, has come forward; two have not yet decided. Per Jossy, she will present charges at polis against JVDS for drugging and raping her, 2-3 weeks before Natalee disappeared. It sounds as though the 3 girls were together at C&Cs, approached by Joran, and “all 3 woke up in a strange place.” The Kalpoes not mentioned in this incident. Jossy has talked to the girl’s attorney, but not to the girl.
Re. PVDS – Crier said to Jossy:
Yesterday, TJ Ward said he believed there was evidence that tied PVDS not to a coverup post disposal of a body ... but ... to the disposal of a body itself.
Jossy: We have no information of the involvement of PVDS except being an accessory to the disposing of a body if there was a body.
He had no new details to support that – mentioned the discrepancies in times/places Joran was picked up and “other tidbits ... we are not privy to.”
Scarborough MSNBC Tues 8/23:
More about the women who have come forward on the record and made allegations against JVDS.
One an American went to the FBI and told them Joran was very persistent trying to get her in his car after a night of drinking at C&C. No crime, but he was persistent and she came forward.
According to a defense? attorney two young ladies went to prosecutors, told stories of a night of heavy drinking, followed by sex at his apartment. No crime (but notice that she says they went to Joran’s apartment).
The fourth teenager.is the.17 yr old Aruban who is alleging a crime. She went to her attorney who met with a private investigator and Beth. She claims that in the spring, she was drugged and had unwanted sexual contact with Joran. She says two other of her friends had similar allegations. (The other 2 are undecided as to whether to press charges.) She has not yet gone to police; the attorney says she plans to go to the prosecutor.
Side Note: Polygraph experts that were on the island, former FBI agents, gave the landfill witness a polygraph. He failed it! (Didn’t we hear that he had passed before the landfill dig began ???)
IAmTito on Board (or maybe not – admins researching to make sure this was Tito):
jogger still missing as of this afternoon..
dunes still being searched.. re. the landfill, trying to get in.. need manpower and equipment.. according to Fred Golba he needs 25 marines and 2 bulldozers.. and some other equipment.
Re. Deepak at C&Cs: the kalpoes are regulars and ALWAYS hang out together.. in fact they have been hitting the clubs every weekend.. and the cameras are following them..
(Tito was invited to ask questions of us ... and here’s what came back:)
QUESTION FOR THE MONKEES.. ..
HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT OF BEING ON THE OTHER SIDE.. ??
ORRRR... EVEN WORSE.. IF NATALEE WAS A GOOD GIRL.. WHY WOULD SHE HOP INTO ANOTHER CAR.. WHILE HER FRIENDS TELL HER NOT TO.. DID SHE NOT ASK FOR IT? OOKEE.. NOW.. WARPING BACK TO REALITY.. OR TO WHAT WE KNOW..
Thus ensuring the usual discussion on morals, perceptions, indignation, etc. I predict that if the Natalee case goes to trial, this is a harbinger of what’s to come. Machismo lives ...
(Also - I think most, if not all, of Tito’s information comes from the Defense team.)
KKM post in response: (snipped, but ends with:) “This community supports Natalee's family no matter what.”
IWasTitoFirst also was on board with IAmTito, but no duel ensued.
resorttownmom posted a press release, released on 5/27 – p. 13 of thread 111.
“Local activists are not only gearing up for the upcoming September elections in Aruba, but one group in particular has stepped up its attacks on the MEP government, accusing the government of being in serious violation of international human rights laws and violating the basic human rights of its own citizenry.” Describes Alex Mathew as a survivor of the “Aruba prison abuse scandal.”
Other Real News:
The court ruled (for the 3rd time) that the FBI has access to case files. This decision from hearings last week on motions by Defense attorneys.
Fundraiser in Birmingham Thursday 8/26, B&A Warehouse, 6-8 pm (Courtney Cox involvement; Beth attending.)
Where’s bendex? On bumper cars ... at what could be the Kansas State Fair ... thanks Klassan for the diversion.
Onnimus created a new sticky thread in the Monkey Lounge for acronyms used on internet forums: http://tinyurl.com/bsumf
Nancy_Drew friendly reminder: Just use www.tinyurl.com to convert long links to short ones. (It’s free and easy; no computer smarts required. Because there are no spaces in a link, a very long one makes the page margin wider, which makes that page hard to read.)
sandraK posts this message board site as one where Charles Croes participates:
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/list.php?f=1&t=122685&a=1
arubagirl and NativeLingo posted a thread called “Announcement from NativeLingo and arubagirl” at http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1665 . I wish there had been no need for this; but hope they will re-visit the thread to see how some of us feel about their contributions here.
Edited to apply bold makeup to Onnimus.
Thanks maggief . . . lots going on . . .
Maggief...it almost sounds as if Jossy is the primary source for the story as reported by Crier and Scarborough about girls being raped by Jurine. Is there another more substantive source than Jossy? What is your take on this new information?
Chris Lejuez is the brother of the new atty just hired by BHT, Mary Lejuez -- just saw him last night say that she's his sister, think it was on Greta.