I'll drink to that!
Posted on 08/10/2005 8:13:30 PM PDT by wallcrawlr
You can draw....hmmmm....sounds like we have the "power".
Interesting article and title.
Good point. Copeland...ugh.
Religion is the last refuge of the Scoundral ( B. Dylan)..what happened to humility and a vow of poverty.
Pretty balanced article.
I am surprised.
Have you ever heard Kenneth or Gloria speak?
yeah, Ive seen their show a couple times. Thought it sounded ok. Now I know whats behind it.
I did listen to Copeland about 30 years ago and it seemed to me that he was a tad more orthodox back then. (Or maybe I was less orthodox) He did teach me the importance of praying for a parking space before you leave for an appointment downtown.
There is a truth to God wanting us to prosper and if you read Deuteronomy (I forget which chapter off hand) it is clear that that promise of prosperity does include a measure of present temporal material wealth to those who do God's will.
IMO Copeland has made a religion out of those promises and attempts to apply them to every aspect of our lives. Clearly there are limits on the promises and conditions that Copeland and other prosperity preachers seem to ignore.
My most strident objection to Copeland's teachings are his references to beleivers being "little gods". It seems that is Hannegraff's principle objection as well. IMO, idea that we can conjure up miracles is tantamount to witchcraft. We cannot conjure up miracles. Miracles are the result of the God's supernatural intervention in our lives. We do not control God. If there is a miracle, it is because it was God's will from all eternity, not because we made God do it.
Not sure what you mean.
Deuteronomy 28:2-14
2Ti 4:3-4 The time will come when people will not listen to sound doctrine, but will follow their own desires
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1461031/posts
Why, you have gotten more orthodox. ;^)
I knew you'd like that.
What happened to them? Hell, I want to know how either one became a virtue. I'm not a big Copeland fan, but neither am I a fan of humility or poverty. Honesty, industriousness and integrity are virtues. Humility and poverty are not.
Copeland and company seem to ignore all the promises of destruction and calamity if you don't do God's will, but they do seem to latch onto the idea that the promises of prosperity apply to them and their followers.
When you get to verse 15, you start to get nervous and you start hoping that maybe this chapter doesn't really apply to the church and maybe it just applied to Israel. I wonder if Copeland has ever quoted verses 15 to 68. If the promises of verses 2-14 apply to us, then the curses of verses 15 to 68 must also apply.
I don't know about you, but I don't keep the commandments as well as God suggested in that Chapter. But for the grace of God, I suspect those curses should befall me.
I'll drink to that!
I am in no way a theologian, so can any of the more informed Freepers run me through thr standard rebuttal to the line "it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven"?
Pour me one while you're at it.
"Honesty, industriousness and integrity are virtues. Humility and poverty are not."
I don't think many long-stablished Christian orders would agree with that. They seem to value vows of poverty, chastity, humility and meekness.
Incidentally, these are some of the reasons why I am not practicing Christian.
I'm still trying to figure out where they got needles back then.
Well...Cleopatra's needle was / is huge.
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