To: Dimensio
"Examples of these "contradictions" please?
the Theory of intelligent design may well be the more powerful influence on biologic diversity
What is the "Theory of intelligent design"? What does it predict, how can it be tested and what hypothetical observation would falsify it? If you can't answer all of those questions, then it is -- without question -- not a scientific theory."
contradictions: 1.rna/dna contain information-did rna and dna evolve prior to life if so what produced the information that resulted in a living organism/cell?
2. what record is there for evolution of complex eye structure
we have different eye structure in birds, reptiles, fish and mammals but where is the evolution of the eye from less complex organisms such as worms to the eye that we see in say modern sharks which are basically unchanged over last 300 mil yrs. 3. Name one virus/prion that has produced a positive organ evolution resulting in something other than disease-you state it could happen that way and virus and mrna/mitachromal parts are seen but have they produced a species change - we both know there is no proof of that. It is YOUR HYPOTHESIS stated as fact. My take on an ID theory: 1. Information is created before it is used..information is basis of all life. This information is contained in DNA. Therefore DNA is created to mold a living organism. the goal of this system is to produce a self aware being who can comprehend the designer and ultimately to share some characteristics of the designer. 2. This theory predicts that all life contains DNA that allows it to replicate and form into a life form separate from it's environment with it's own set of physical and genetic characteristics. These Characteristics may be modified by the designer of the information when the organism is not able to fulfill it's function in the created ecosystem. Or the design may become obsolete and the organism will become extinct. 3. To test the theory we need to modify an existing organism to provide a new function in the ecosystem: successful tests : fermentation of Human Insulin via modification of Ecoli genetic code. New information inserted in a manner that may mimic the True designer's methods. What other proof's may we be able to test: Proof of a designer having altered a life form by surrogate (human) Proof for the designer existing and historic interventions would be consistent with major genome changes resulting in fully developed new plant and animal life in very short geologic time scales..less than 1000yrs (time frame may be shorter if you wish).. The final hypothesis : all such changes must produce the ultimate goal of a self aware being able to comprehend the creator. What could tend to falsify on the theory of ID. . 1. no organism can be altered at genetic level by an intelligent agent such as man - showing that ID is not possible -this has been disproved already. 2. All the changes in ecosystem through out history did not result in a self aware species able to comprehend a Designer..also clearly not the case- but it would disprove my ID theory if correct. 3. Life can exist without a designer..We cannot yet produce life from inorganic or even basic organic matter as of yet so we cannot disprove yet the hypothesis that for life to exist there must be a designer to impart information in the genetic matter. so have at it - and may you come to understand that you have already fulfilled a goal of the designer.
892 posted on
08/02/2005 5:48:12 PM PDT by
ConsentofGoverned
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To: ConsentofGoverned
1. no organism can be altered at genetic level by an intelligent agent such as man - showing that ID is not possible -this has been disproved already.
This doesn't make sense. If we couldn't alter organisms at a genetic level, it would prove that organisms weren't ultimately created by an intelligent designer? I don't follow the reasoning here.
2. All the changes in ecosystem through out history did not result in a self aware species able to comprehend a Designer..also clearly not the case- but it would disprove my ID theory if correct.
Why? Explain this. Why would a designer necessarily imply that life would eventually evolve to acknowledge a designer? This would only be true if the designer wanted the life that it created to come to this eventual point, and was successful in causing life to do so.
3. Life can exist without a designer..
How would this falsify ID?
We cannot yet produce life from inorganic or even basic organic matter as of yet so we cannot disprove yet the hypothesis that for life to exist there must be a designer to impart information in the genetic matter.
But even if we could do this, it wouldn't prove that a designer wasn't responsible for the first life forms.
905 posted on
08/02/2005 6:04:49 PM PDT by
Dimensio
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