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To: JeffAtlanta
Eventually the designer will have to be supernatural.

That is a position you are free to take, but ID does not address that issue.

By the way, evolution does not deal with the beginning of life so the argument against "random chance" is misplaced.

Evolution still makes the claim that all life evolved from the simplest single celled lifeform by random mutation. ID simply says that is not possible, and shows why.

718 posted on 08/02/2005 1:42:52 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
That is a position you are free to take, but ID does not address that issue.

How could it be any other way? If life is so complex that it must be designed, then the ultimate designer must be supernatural. If aliens designed life on earth then who designed them. Again, the end of the line will always end with supernatual. Respectfully, if my logic is off please let me in what way.

Evolution still makes the claim that all life evolved from the simplest single celled lifeform by random mutation. ID simply says that is not possible, and shows why.

That still leaves out the aspect of natural selection.

748 posted on 08/02/2005 2:04:46 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: MEGoody; JeffAtlanta
Bold italics are quoting JeffAtlanta; regular italics are quoting MEGoody: Eventually the designer will have to be supernatural.

That is a position you are free to take, but ID does not address that issue. By the way, evolution does not deal with the beginning of life so the argument against "random chance" is misplaced.

Evolution still makes the claim that all life evolved from the simplest single celled lifeform by random mutation. ID simply says that is not possible, and shows why.

1) I thought ID supposed an intelligent designer at some point? Or some type of intelligent design ...

2) If there is to be intelligent design, ID theory would not have to say what exactly the intelligence is, but WOULD have to address the fact that if it is not possible --- by the suppositions of ID itself! --- for life to evolve without help in nature, how does the intelligence that is the design come about without a process that is beyond nature --- supernatural.

If ID cannot stand up under its own suppositions, it's not a very good theory. ID theory MUST suppose the supernatural --- something beyond natural laws ...

3) ID does not just simply state evolution is not possible ... it states there is an intelligent design/designer. There is a difference.

To be taken seriously, IDers will need to examine their own theory with as much rigor as they do the theory of evolution ...

749 posted on 08/02/2005 2:06:09 PM PDT by bobhoskins (I'm tired ... I may not have made much sense in my post.)
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