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Let me just inform you that the debate we are in have been going on for centuries.............no, make that millenia.

Knew it, thanks. Kind of obvious.

The argument about whether Being is Being, or Being is God, and causation, is not new.

Neat. Don't know what the age of an argument has to do with this discussion, but thanks for clarifying.

Those who are afraid that ID means 'religion' are ignorant of the past (not surprisingly).

When many of the ID posts on these threads turn to Bible quotes, it's easy to see where the confusion comes from. I've tried to argue that the ID argument needs to move away from that, and start actually arguing their point in the realm of science, and not in the realm of law. Or personal attacks. Or verbal sparring.

I challenge you to look deeper into the philosophy of what you have been taught is science, and its roots

Thanks. Maybe I'll start reading some threads about evolution versus Id, or something. I fI ever find the time.

.......that is IF you are really interested in learning about the truth.

I know the truth. This discussion, however, needs to be about the facts. (And, no, I'm not saying the theory of evolution is the truth, or the end all be all fact, just to stem off that discussion.)

The science you have been taught in class (you did take science in college, didn't you?) has political and philosophical underpinnings that you have not been taught.

What was that darn "History of Science" class all about, then? Darnit, 3 credits wasted!

Try to find out what they are.

Sure! However, this doesn't make ID fit the definition (yet) of a scientific theory.