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To: antisocial
antisocial wrote: CAFTA-DR article 10.16.3 that "places the United States under the jurisdiction of international tribunals supervised by the United Nations."

Years ago people could say stuff like that in passing and no one would say a thing.  This is an internet forum and everyone can read the CAFTA themselves and find out that Article 10.16.3 is:

3. Provided that six months have elapsed since the events giving rise to the claim, a claimant may submit a claim referred to in paragraph 1:10-12

(a) under the ICSID Convention and the ICSID Rules of Procedures for Arbitration Proceedings, provided that both the respondent and the Party of the claimant are parties to the ICSID Convention;

(b) under the ICSID Additional Facility Rules, provided that either the respondent or the Party of the claimant is a party to the ICSID Convention; or

(c) under the UNCITRAL Arbitration Rules.

Maybe CAFTA has little print and not enough pictures, but as far as gov't docs go I've seen worse.  It's real easy to download (the final text here) and do a search for say "black helicopters" if you want.   FWIW, it ain't in there.   One thing that really is in there is that it lowers my taxes.

 

446 posted on 07/28/2005 9:09:48 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

"(a) under the ICSID Convention and the ICSID Rules of Procedures for Arbitration Proceedings, provided that both the respondent and the Party of the claimant are parties to the ICSID Convention;"

That is an international tribunal, and most international law is subject to UN arbitration.


459 posted on 07/28/2005 10:14:48 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: expat_panama; antisocial
Expat is correct; the Article in question says no such thing. (As Expat has already posted it here, in this thread, I won't "dogpile" by doing so again.)

Here's what IS specifically stated: Annex 8.3 states, under the subsection "Evidence of Injury and Causation," that any "petitions or complaints" lodged against the United States WILL BE ARBITRATED by "a competent investigating authority."

Pay attention now, kids. Annex 8.7, "Country-Specific Definitions," SPECIFICALLY STATES: "... in the case of the United States," the competent investigating authority is "the U.S. International Trade Commission."

NOT, as has been falsely (and repeatedly) claimed, throughout this thread, the United Nations.

"Game, set and match," as they say.

469 posted on 07/28/2005 10:40:04 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-G-d, PRO-LIFE..." -- FR founder Jim Robinson)
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