[GarySpFc]

I thought she had said that she heard him say that he had picked up Joran at 4am twice and that she had 10 witnesses. Then Greta, after remarking that she had looked through the journal, asked her if there was a 4:30am entry and BH had remarked that there was but that one was based on second-hand information.

Let's be very clear on this point. Yes, it was second hand information, but there are 10 witnesses to PvdS statement.

[justche]

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[Teri0811]

"Let's be very clear on this point. Yes, it was second hand information, but there are 10 witnesses to PvdS statement."

I realize this, however, I was under the impression that the 10 witnesses were with regard to his two 4am statements; while the 4:30am time were obtained via secondhand information.