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To: RusIvan

I'm far from convinced by your arguments. What decides about ethinicity? First of all language . If Russian is your mother tongue then you are Russian, whether your grandmother was Jewish or Kalmuk, what does it matter? (By the way, I'm told Pushkin was a quarter-Negro. Is it true?)

"War was between non-russians supporting bolshevicks and Russian national White Movement. It took 4 years."

I know nothing about ethnic makeup of Bolsheviks. But it is impossible that they could take over power in Russia without active support of russian people. How else could they win the war? They had no wunderwaffe and somebody had to fight in their army. Do you really want me to believe that White Russians were defeated by an army made up of Jews, Latvians, Poles and other minorities? (and White Russia had also the support of English and French) Be serious Ivan.
There was no invasion from Mars in 1917. The civil war that ensued was a war between two segments of Russian society: White Russia and Red Russia. Red Russia won.

"They spoke russian language but they was anti-russians by sense."

That is something I can't understand. The French Revolution destroyed the Church in France and French nobility, which were definitely a great part of French tradition. Was the French Revolution anti-French?
People in Soviet non-russian republics and in satellite countries were forced to learn Russian language, and it was not only communist propaganda but Russian literature and culture and history, and all those stories about how beautiful is Moscow (I can remember them well from my russian textbook). That's what you call anti-Russian empire?

Please tell me exactly in WHAT sense they were anti-Russian.


365 posted on 05/10/2005 1:58:47 PM PDT by j23
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To: j23

Please tell me exactly in WHAT sense they were anti-Russian.==

Many senses. Soviets destroy russian tradition, religion as part of it. Way of life. Instead they inplemented newly created "soviet people" nation.

Yes they insisted to learn russian language but how could they do against it if number of ethnic russians was half of sobiet people. BTW it is an explaination why they won. Ethnic russians was only half or less in Empire.
In today for example Russia russians are majority near 80%. So I beleive no anti-russains power may win in today Russia.
Commmies robbed russian resouces for sake of development of "friends". No russians was heads of Soviet state. And so on.

If Russian is your mother tongue then you are Russian, whether your grandmother was Jewish or Kalmuk, what does it matter? (By the way, I'm told Pushkin was a quarter-Negro. Is it true?) ==

True. Pushkin was quarter-negro. Whose is russian is defined quite same as who is polish or german or italian. If you have definition about it then just substitute it with word "russian".

Do you really want me to believe that White Russians were defeated by an army made up of Jews, Latvians, Poles and other minorities? ==

I don't tell that no russians was between bolshevicks. Some were. As in White movenets there were some non-russians.
BUT in those time no one knew exactly what will the bolshevick power. SO people at time took sides by thier national instincts.
Plus bolshevicks bribed minorities by land and promise of independece.


366 posted on 05/10/2005 3:00:41 PM PDT by RusIvan
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