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To: j23

And what about Lenin? Wasn't he Russian? Were not Bolsheviks Russian Party? (Russian Social Democratic Labor Party). There are many historians (e.g. Richard Pipes) who say that USSR had less to do with communist ideology, and more with Russian imperial tradition. In other words communism was a prop for the tumbling Russian empire. I think totalitarianism was a constant part of Russian politics since the times of Ivan the Terrible. You seem to be very much impressed by the fact that Stalin was Georgian. But Catarina II was German, and all her successors too. And so what? President Eisenhower was German too. And so what?


361 posted on 05/10/2005 5:38:53 AM PDT by j23
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To: j23

And what about Lenin? Wasn't he Russian? Were not Bolsheviks Russian Party? (Russian Social Democratic Labor Party). ==

The word "russian" has 2 means: first, russian by citezenry, second, russian by ethnicity. In russian language there are 2 differnet words which translated on english by one "russian": "rossyiskii" - means russian by citizenry, "russlii" - russian by ethnicity.
Russian EMpire has inside amny enthinicties. Like any empire for example British Empire.

SO "Russian Social Democratic Labor Party" is translation on english. In original it was "Rossyiskii" means russian by citizenry. People in that party was mostly non russian by ethnicity citizens of Russian Empire. So when that patry grabs power in 1917 then Civil War began. War was between non-russians supporting bolshevicks and Russian national White Movement. It took 4 years.
Bolshevicks promised many ethnicities national independence that why in Civil war many of them supported and helped bolshevicks. For example, national latvian rifle divisions was guards of Lenin goverment and helped them a lot.
Later of casue bolshevicks withdrew thise promise of independence and in 1940 SOviet Union annexed baltic states.


363 posted on 05/10/2005 9:24:19 AM PDT by RusIvan
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