Posted on 05/07/2005 3:20:28 PM PDT by neverdem
"...to the people that did this to Warsaw"
You mean Russian SS ?
Hay, apparently you Ukrainians always belonged to your kind masters in Poland and should be thanking them. Well according to ms_68 anyways.
This whole argument is getting ridiculous! Deep breaths everyone..
My two kopeks -
Poland got screwed before, during AND after WWII. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact destroyed any right for Russia to herald their "victory" over brown fascism - they just replaced it with red fascism. Nothing they did during the war was done with the "liberate Poland" moniker - they wanted the territory under their control (they being the Soviets).
Now, I love Russia and its people, but I am not naive enough to not realize that there are a few there who are nostalgic for the time (in their opinion) they were a great and might superpower. What Putin should have done is acknowledged the Soviet Union's role in the rise of the German (NAZI) Army. He also should have paid homage to the Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Balts, etc., who suffered from BOTH Nazis and Soviets before, during, and after the war. (Especially those who were either mowed down by NKVD rear-guard motorized rifle regiments - such as the NKVD 10th Motorized Rifle Regiment at Stalingrad, or killed by pure Soviet Army incompetence of its officers)
The current somewhat offensive statements coming out of Russia are due to hurt feelings - they've invited the world to fete the "Soviet" victory and aren't to happy to be reminded of Soviet guilt.
"I just hope some of my fellow country man would take deep breath and relax."
I guess that's why the Reds collaborated with the Nazis to make the Molotov - Ribbentropp pact. I guess they wanted to protect the Slavs by dividing Poland. I guess nations on the border of the Soviet Union were too ignorant to comprehend what refugees from that country told them.
It appears to me that you're trying to make some relativistic differentiation between Nazis and Commies, i.e. some marginal distinction without a real difference. Nazis initially went after Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals and then Slavs, according to their priorities, but they still looked at anyone else who was not an Aryan as an inferior, to be dealt with later, while the Reds were equal opportunity killers if you did not tow the party line.
As for the numbers killed by Nazis versus Russian Commies, Nazi killing fields were accessible. Stalin's killing fields were not. It also ignores the aid and comfort that the Soviet Union gave to Chinese Communists, Korean Communists, Vietnamese Communists, Cuban Communists, etc. It also ignores the repression they practiced in their own country and behind the Iron Curtain, especially during the uprisings in East Germany in 1953, Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslavakia in 1968. This doesn't count the cost of their adventurism in South America, Africa and other parts of Asia.
Give me a break. My in-laws fled North Vietnam in 1954. Commie or Russian apologia get no sympathy from me. To me, both Nazis and Commies are equally vile. How Nazis were placed on the right side of the political spectrum still escapes me. They espoused nothing that was conservative or libertarian, only racist.
Thank you
I fully agree with you. What's going on on this thread is sheer madness. If some of those guys were in one room not one of them would come out alive. I'm a Pole but this is really disgusting.
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The horse and the man both had an enemy, the wolf. One day the man came to the horse and told him , if you will let me ride on your back we can kill the wolf and both benefit.
The horse thought it over and agreed. So the man saddled and bridled the horse and they went off and killed the wolf.
Afterward the horse said, " thank you for your help in getting rid of our enemy, now if you would be so kind as to remove yourself from my back." To which the man replied, "THE HELL YOU SAY DOBBIN, GIDDE UP!"
Getting rid of the wolf didn't give Russians the right to 50 years of domination over Eastern Europe.
For me and many other libertarians and conservatives it is a major flaw. It is almost as bad as him lobbying for the ICC treaty. The point that you can't gloss over is that LOST takes the UN a bold step closer to being a real one-world government. That's not hyperbole, it gives part of the UN a real legal power to tax and regulate independently of the member states. You know as well as I do that within 10 years we'll be officially under the ICC and the UN will be marching hard and fast toward a one-world government.
"The Soviets killed Polish officers and intellectuals as a way to prevent an uprising against them - barbaric practice for sure - they did not seek to kill every Pole or turn the Poles into mules like slaves for the German master race."
... and Hitler didn't engineer a famine of millions like Stalin did in the 1930s in the Ukraine.
Both Stalin and Hitler were horrible, evil, dictators. There is no need to excuse either one.
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