[missyme]

Christianity is about FORGIVENESS, no not an excurse to SIN, but I beg to say most christians are not virgins when they marry and Bibically I would beg to say ALL have committed ADULTERY as what it states about Lust the point is the flesh is weak but the spirit is strong in Christ..

Good for you that you found a woman who was a virgin to marry but it does not mean she is a BETTER Christian than a woman who was not a virgin when she married...

[halieus]

Good for you that you found a woman who was a virgin to marry but it does not mean she is a BETTER Christian than a woman who was not a virgin when she married...

It does, however, mean she brings less baggage to the marriage.

[Rytwyng]

Christianity is about FORGIVENESS, no not an excurse to SIN, but I beg to say most christians are not virgins when they marry

Indeed most Christians aren't virgins when they marry, for the very simple reason that a great many of them don't get saved til their late teens or early 20s, by which time most of them have had plenty of opportunities to fall. I hold nobody's REPENTED PAST against them, either during dating or in any other context. For the record I once seriously dated a woman from my Bible study who was an EX-prostitute who'd been with over 400 men and a fair number of women as well. The keyword is EX-; she wasn't still doing it.

My complaint is about those who have allegedly gotten "saved", go to church regularly, and even give public lip service to Christian morals, yet WHILE CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIANS are engaged in the PRESENT-DAY, UNREPENTED activity of premarital sex. They speak in tongues, thump the Bible, sing hymns, and talk a good game, yet secretly sleep around:

"LOL.... Won't have to wait even with a christian girl...."

LOL? That's nothing to laugh at.

[halieus]

I'd also add that, unless a person had sex before becoming a Christian, I would doubt the sincerity of their walk with Christ.

I.e, if the person, as a self-described Christian, chose not to obey God before marriage, why should we expect he/she will obey Him afterward?

[Terriergal]

Good points.

[Terriergal]

I remember hearing a message about this when I was younger - by Fran Sciacca.

In his message he talked about how he had hurt girls in his high school years. This should not be the case with Christians. At the end of the talk he mentioned about how now he would prefer a girl who may not be a physical virgin, but who is a virgin at heart. As opposed to a physical virgin who just didn't have the opportunity or for some other reason (other meaning other than a desire to please the Lord) did not have sex.

Also in the message he mentions essentially 'girls play at sex, for which they aren't prepared, because what they really want is love. GUYS play at love, for which they are unprepared, because what they really want is sex.'

So they have sex, the guy gets what he wants and leaves... and the girl gets burned, because she did not get what SHE wanted.

And even within marriage this happens. A license does not change this tendency.

this was a good page (written at a fairly low reading level...)

http://www.freechristianleadertraining.org/14-3-Hints.htm

"(1 Corinthians 6:19-20)
"Don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and who was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourselves but to God; He bought you for a price. So use your bodies for God's glory."

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Earthly nature provides for: Guy's playing at love to get sex and women playing at sex to get love. This should not be the case with Christians? headaches and Football games do not let us off the hook. And I don't think this was meant just for the world of sex. It also means taking out the garbage when we are asked and running to the library when your favorite soap opera may be on. Sexual temptations are difficult to withstand because they appeal to the normal and natural desires that God has given us. Married couples have the responsibility to care for each other.

(1 Corinthians 7:3-5)
"A man should fulfill his duty as a husband, and a woman should fulfill her duty as a wife, and each should satisfy the other's needs. A wife is not the master of her own body, but her husband is; in the same way a husband is not the master of his own body, but his wife is. Do not deny yourselves to each other, unless you first agree to do so for a while in order to spend your time in prayer; but then resume normal marital relations. In this way you will be kept from giving in to Satan's temptation because of your lack of self-control."