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Supreme Court: people convicted of crime overseas can still own gun
SIGN ON Sandiego ^ | 4/26

Posted on 04/26/2005 7:53:22 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

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To: Brilliant
Looks like their pro-crime philosophy trumps their anti-gun philosophy.

Well put. That was my first thought too.

21 posted on 04/26/2005 8:20:19 AM PDT by Texas Federalist (If you get in bed with the government, you'll get more than a good night's sleep." R. Reagan)
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To: EagleUSA
Thomas is right: "Any" means "Any".

The Congress wrote the law poorly. The actual outcome of the case may indeed be in line with what the Congress wanted (I hope so, but the Congress is full of Rinos and Rats ...), but it is not in line with what they actually wrote.

Unintended consequences.

22 posted on 04/26/2005 8:22:26 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: edcoil
bring me your tired, hungry and criminals and let them melt here. What is the court thinking.

You misunderstand. The man is an American.

23 posted on 04/26/2005 8:24:09 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: GrandEagle
No, for once, I completely agree with the court; although I'm not sure how this one slipped through.

I agree. Personally, I agree with the majority, liberal position on this one, and disagree with the conservatives. That makes me worried!

24 posted on 04/26/2005 8:24:17 AM PDT by 68skylark
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To: SoFloFreeper

... The Bush administration had asked the court to apply the statute to foreign convictions....

We're only pretending to go left, eh?
Maggots.


25 posted on 04/26/2005 8:24:45 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Impeach them all!)
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To: MisterRepublican

Here is a link to the opinion. You are exactly right that it depends on the meaning of "any". Many posters disagree with the conservative justices in this case, but to agree with the majority is to support legislation from the bench. The statute may or may not be poorly worded, but that does not give the Supremes carte blanche to depart from the plain meaning of words. "Any" means any. The statute does not say "...any federal or state court...", it says "any court". If conviction in these instances are not the desired legislative intent, then the statute needs to be changed.

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/26apr20050800/www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/04pdf/03-750.pdf


26 posted on 04/26/2005 8:29:05 AM PDT by KeyesPlease
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To: SoFloFreeper
Bush is wrong. If foreign law was exactly the same as our Constitution and State laws, they I would say OK. Foreign law is a mixed up mess when comparing. What is legal here in the US may not be legal and completely foolish by our standards. Just would be unfair to consider.
27 posted on 04/26/2005 8:34:05 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Logical me
I meant the Bush Administration. Nobody knows what Bush is thinking.
28 posted on 04/26/2005 8:36:21 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

So, does the guy who was arrested in Mexico for having a single shotgun shell in his vehicle get his rights restored after US courts stripped him of all his guns when he came home???


29 posted on 04/26/2005 8:36:34 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: KeyesPlease

Agreed. And, think of the implications and the threat that brings to the country in this, narrow application.
An individual, known to have violated the firearms laws of ANY country, is allowed to own weapons here. In this age of terrorism, what do you think the reaction would be if this individual continued on his scofflaw ways...


30 posted on 04/26/2005 8:38:54 AM PDT by Paisan
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To: edcoil
See
31 posted on 04/26/2005 8:40:46 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I like the decision but hasn't the Supreme Court decided it has to consider foreign court decisions?

This seems inconsistent.


32 posted on 04/26/2005 8:42:24 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: SoFloFreeper

Thomas is right. Here, you have an example of the liberal justices temporarily putting on hold their anti-gun agenda in order to legislate from the bench. What part of 'any' isn't clear to them?


33 posted on 04/26/2005 8:54:45 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Malvone = MMK)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

"This seems inconsistent."

It is.

You can't say on one hand that 'foreign law applies', and on the other, that the 'conviction in a foreign court' doesn't.


34 posted on 04/26/2005 8:54:59 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: EagleUSA
First time for everything. I don't agree with Thomas' interpretation. It does not make sense. In the strictest sense of the law, events in U.S. should matter, but not events in other countries.

Thomas is spot on. If congress wants to limit the scope of 'any' to just US courts, it's congress's job to do that, not the supreme court.

35 posted on 04/26/2005 8:56:28 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Malvone = MMK)
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To: Bigh4u2
What? Considering foreign law is quite different than what's going on here
36 posted on 04/26/2005 8:57:56 AM PDT by neutrality
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To: SoFloFreeper
The Bush administration had asked the court to apply the statute to foreign convictions.

The Bush administration was pushing for this? That sure is disappointing. Must be more of that "compassionate conservatism".

37 posted on 04/26/2005 8:58:24 AM PDT by jpl
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To: KeyesPlease
Many posters disagree with the conservative justices in this case, but to agree with the majority is to support legislation from the bench. The statute may or may not be poorly worded, but that does not give the Supremes carte blanche to depart from the plain meaning of words. "Any" means any. The statute does not say "...any federal or state court...", it says "any court". If conviction in these instances are not the desired legislative intent, then the statute needs to be changed.

You're exactly right. So many are blinded by the subject of the decision - guns - that they can't focus on the sinister method the court used to get to a decision they find appealing. Its very sad our country has come to the point where even conservatives here would cheer the supreme court for making policy decisions, rather than strictly interpreting the constitution and federal statutes.

38 posted on 04/26/2005 8:59:40 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Malvone = MMK)
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To: Brilliant

Supreme Court............ not so supreme.


39 posted on 04/26/2005 9:00:17 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Advanced Directive -- don't step on my blue suede shoes.)
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To: EagleUSA

Wonder when the U.S. will adopt the liberal drinking laws of Europe.


40 posted on 04/26/2005 9:01:34 AM PDT by dhs12345
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