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Hugh Finn
Life Advocate Magazine ^ | 1998 | Cathy Ramey

Posted on 03/25/2005 12:20:58 PM PST by MarMema

Springfield, VA.- In 1994 Hugh Finn made his living by reporting on the celebrity of others. He was a TV news anchor in the Louisville, Kentucky area where he and his wife and two daughters lived.

In 1998 Hugh Finn made headlines of his own after a court ruled that he could be made to die. A native of Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, Finn started his early broadcast career at radio stations near his home. He later broke into television as a weatherman at WBRE-TV in Wilkes-Barre.

In 1981 Finn was hired by WAVE-TV in Louisville. He worked there until 1994 when he was forced out in what his wife Michele describes as a shakeup.

No longer host of a morning show and noon news program, Finn was suddenly free to start his own business and set his own hours. With a partner he established an Internet sports news service.

Then in March of 1995 Finn himself became the subject of news for the first time. While driving his two daughters to school one morning, the family car was involved in an accident. Another driver lost control of his vehicle and slammed into Finn injuring all three people in the car.

The girls eventually recovered from their injuries, but their 44-year-old father's condition was critical. In the force of the accident Hugh Finn's aorta had ruptured depriving his brain of oxygen and leaving him unable to eat or care for himself.

From that point on, according to duty-to-die supporters, Hugh Finn was "tethered to feeding tubes, unable to decide his own fate." He was in need of a guardian to make decisions for him.

As legal next of kin, Michele Finn was suddenly placed in the position of deciding not only how to raise her daughters as a single parent, but what care would be in Hugh Finn's best interest.

Fate bound with Cruzan

Hugh Finn's fate was actually sealed in Mt. Vernon, Missouri when a woman in similar circumstances grabbed the attention of the nation. Nancy Beth Cruzan was also an accident victim whose injuries left her in a state of intense dependency.

Labeled a "vegetable," Nancy had lost the ability to speak and direct her own affairs. Even chewing food was a problem that took staff time and involved the risk of choking as aids hurried with the job. So, as part of her rehabilitation a feeding tube was inserted in order to deliver adequate nutrition.

Almost immediately Nancy Cruzan's parents became pawns in the hands of duty-to-die lobbyists who highlighted her dependency and a presumed deathwish after the accident. With strong political backing, Mr. and Mrs. Joe Cruzan fought for the right to stop Nancy from being fed.

After four years of battle the US Supreme Court finally ruled based on casual comments a young Nancy had made. Death would be her preference. Life as a brain-injured, dependent woman, they imagined, would be unbearable. The intended result of the ruling was to "allow" her to die, a process that was guaranteed when medical personnel were finally ordered to shut off her feeding tube. Food and fluids could be withheld. The decision was a landmark ruling that outstripped the much earlier Karen Ann Quinlin case. In that instance a woman was weaned off of a ventilator that was said to be artificially prolonging her life. Instead of dying though Karen Quinlin lived eight more years.

On the other hand, ten days after being deprived of nutrition Nancy Beth Cruzan died. The date was December 26, 1990. (Sadly, Joe Cruzan later took his own life as a result of the remorse he felt over Nancy's death.)

Only days after Nancy Cruzan's death another parent, Peter Bussalachi, would obtain an order to stop his own daughter's food intake. Christine Bussalachi was bedridden and brain-injured as well and living in the same Mt. Vernon rehab facility.

No doubt, Hugh Finn reported the death of Nancy Cruzan. Several months later, when food was finally withheld, Christine Bussalachi barely made the back page of most newspapers, too insignificant for the majority of TV news programming.

Moving in the liberal celebrity stream of TV personalities, Hugh Finn may have endorsed the killing of both women. We don't know. What is certain is that the Cruzan and Bussalachi killings would have a profound impact on his life after the 1995 car accident.

Family torn over decision

Some time after being injured, Hugh Finn was moved to Manassas, Virginia to begin life in a nursing home that was specially equipped to care for chronic and severely injured patients. There doctors assured Michele Finn that her husband had little to no chance of ever getting better.

At the Annaburg nursing home, his savings depleted, Hugh Finn was placed on public assistance. His care would be covered by the state but his wife could become liable for paying back a portion of the coverage if her income and assets put her over the qualifying line. In sickness Hugh Finn was now more than a husband, he was a liability.

In June of 1998 Michele Finn announced to the family that she wanted to remove her husband's feeding tube. After over three years she recalled a conversation in which, allegedly, her husband had told her that he would not wish to live in such a condition. This end to life, she informed them, was exactly what Hugh Finn would want.

Wasting no time, John Finn, brother of Hugh, launched a lawsuit against Michele Finn to prevent her from having his brother's feeding tube removed. The case went to trial in July and became a bitter contest between passionate opponents.

Michele Finn brought in three physicians, all of whom were willing to testify that Hugh Finn was in a "persistent vegetative state." On the other side witnesses were equally adamant in countering the testimony.

Mary Margaret Keely, Mrs. Finn's own mother, claimed Hugh could communicate and should be kept alive. At Christmas time he had thanked her for a gift she brought to the nursing home.

Seven months later in July he cried when she questioned him about his wife's plan to disconnect his feeding tube. Mrs. Keely reported that he was in distress when asked if he was upset with his wife. "You just can't euthanize the man,'' Mrs. Keely told the court. "`Where does it go if we allow this to happen?''

Elaine Glazer, Michele Finn's sister, testified that her broth-in-law was able to speak up until March of this year. At that time a drug was withdrawn and mysteriously he experienced a relapse that left him speechless.

Mrs. Glazer went so far as to petition Virginia Governor James Gilmore seeking to prevent her brother-in-law from being killed.

"I believe my job as governor, my role is to protect those people who are most frail in society and cannot necessarily protect themselves,'' Gilmore said at a news conference.

"I think Hugh's in there. He's locked in. I went to the last place I could,'' Glazier is reported to have said about soliciting Gilmore's assistance.

In fact, her mother and sister felt so strongly that Michele Finn was wrong and that Hugh Finn should be kept alive that they eventually stopped visiting or speaking to her.

She was determined that her husband should die. For their part, it seemed impossible to pretend that what Michele was doing was right.

Falling victim to a new ethic

In a sense, as a result of the tragic 1995 accident, the Finn family and Gov. Jim Gilmore were all to become enmeshed in the web of a new system of medicine. That system began changing with, among other catalysts, the introduction of health-care coverage on a broad scale and the notion of "patient autonomy."

While medicine functioned for most of two millennia under the premise that a physician's oath bound him to always act with the patient's best interests at heart, the introduction of new payment systems created a problem. It became apparent that some physicians would offer no end of services as long as an insurance premium guaranteed reimbursement.

Patients, for their part, suddenly caught up in the idea that anything could be done expected more. After all, monetary limitations no longer needed to be considered. Now the patient was a consumer who, for $75-$125 a month, could demand all that medical technology had to offer.

At the same time, a strong sodality was embracing the practice of abortion, one that subtly shifted all of society's view of the physician as "healer." Now it was evident that not all physicians would make even rudimentary life-death decisions based upon a sincere concern for the well being of all patients. Some, pregnant mothers, were guaranteed "choice" which sealed a right to choose short-term pregnancy over long-term pregnancy. And in the process one patient, the child, was expendable. All of these changes worked together to mold a new ethic for medicine.

Under the new ethic "consumer choice" superseded the theoretical benevolent judgment of the physician. Patients became clients. And as with the Finn case, family members with little understanding of the ethical system they were drawn into suddenly became arbiters of life and death.

Giving permission to kill

As noted, despondent about her husband's health and existence, Michele Finn determined to put an end to what she saw as an extraordinarily long and painful process of dying. Over family objections she pursued a plan to stop food and hydration from being given to her husband.

Later, dismissing John Finn's lawsuit, Prince William Circuit Judge Frank Hoss Jr. ruled on August 31 that Michele Finn could withdraw the feeding tube after an appeal deadline of September 30.

Hugh Finn's advocates had only a month to gain an appeal court decision to reverse the order.

The state responds

Complicating Michele Finn's decision, after her sister's appeal to Governor Gilmore, the state of Virginia stepped in to assure that Hugh Finn was properly represented.

State nurse Marie Saul visited Finn and swore in an affidavit that Finn told her "Hi." He then reached up and smoothed his own hair.

In fact, far from claims that he was "vegetative" and unaware, Hugh Finn was conscious of his environment. He appeared to feel concern for his appearance in light of having a new visitor in the room.

In Marie Saul's view Michele Finn and the circle of lawyers and physicians working with her were unfairly characterizing Hugh Finn. If anyone had a political agenda, it seemed that this group did.

"We believe there are facts out there that have not been fully brought to the fore that requires us to step in and ensure his rights,'' said state Health and Human Resources Secretary Claude Allen.

Immediately Michele Finn objected to the state's involvement and filed a motion in Prince William County Circuit Court to bar state agencies from interfering. She moved past seeing her sister and mother as opponents to claiming that state intrusion was part of a powerful, behind-the-scenes agenda. There were unnamed, unidentified "others with their own political agenda and purposes," she testified. These were ultimately the force behind any family objections. Judge Hoss reviewed Ms. Saul's affidavit at a hearing but decided it provided no new information to warrant changing his August 31 ruling.

Appeals and protests

Into September the pace quickened with as many as 300 protesters flocking to the Annaburg nursing home on a single day. Many of them carried signs reading, "Don't let Hugh die!" and "Let Hugh Live." On at least one day Robert Marshall, a state lawmaker, took the opportunity to throw his weight in the direction of preserving Hugh Finn's life. He joined the group pacing with signs outside the care center. At the same time the protests provided a mode of exposure that would both endear and alienate him from voters, depending on their point of view.

"Finn, 44, isn't being kept alive by lifesaving or unusual medical means but is simply being fed." Marshall argued. Removing tubes would be tantamount to euthanasia and illegal in Virginia. 'We can't tolerate this as a society if we say food and water are an extraordinary medical event,'' Marshall said."

Thomas Finn, father to the man in the middle of all the fuss, joined the public parade of those opposed to the starvation-death of Hugh Finn. In mid-September he gathered an affidavit from one nurse who was willing to swear that Hugh Finn could and had communicated to her.

On the other side Mrs. Finn's lawyer, Greg Murphy, characterized Marshall, other demonstrators, and even famiAs if a patient's ability to act in one way or another were a litmus test for a right to life and a right to be cared for, Murphy stated, "Finn does not react. Unfortunately, people tend to see what they want because they are so close to him.'' "The family has to face up to reality,'' he said. "There is nothing more to be done.''

Acting as if they would have no option but to obey orders, David Tucker, administrator at Annaburg, announced that unless the court reversed itself the center would have no choice but to follow Michele Finn's instructions and disconnect Hugh Finn's feeding tube.

Denying a role in bringing about Finn's death, Judge Hoss reiterated his belief that based upon a 1992 court decision, Virginia law allows withholding food and water. The law specified that those in a "persistent vegetative state" could be denied life-saving treatments, and that included meals.

"It merely permits the natural process of dying,'' he said. "It does not relate to mercy killing or euthanasia.''

Putting Hoss' claims aside, Dr. Robin Merlino, medical director at Annaburg explained that the feeding tube was providing food and water that kept Finn alive. Without it, she said, "he would become dehydrated, his kidneys would fail, he would go into a coma and die within a couple of weeks."

Judicial process leads to resignation

John, Hugh Finn's brother initially said he planned to take his case to the Virginia Supreme Court. But in over two months of battling relatives and in the courts, John Finn had failed in his bid to become his brother's keeper, a court appointed guardian who could prevent Hugh's death.

In late September, discouraged at the lack of judicial review given by Judge Hoss and a refusal to overturn his decisions by the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals, the family agreed to an uneasy truce. Still unhappy over Michele Fin's decision they decided to end their legal dispute, leaving Finn's wife free to remove the tube when the appeal deadline expired.

Ed Finn, another of Hugh's brothers, confirmed the family's gratitude toward Governor Jim Gilmore and state agencies that expressed a willingness to continue the court battle.

"When we agreed with Michele to allow her to do it, that didn't change our mind about wanting to keep Hugh alive," Ed Finn said. But he added that he knew of no family member who would insist that the state continue to intervene.

No family member but Elaine Glazer. Urging Gilmore to use all of his authority, Hugh Finn's sister-in-law refused to give up the fight.

The state of Virginia argued to restrain Michele Finn's authority. In a last minute, late night telephone hearing on October 1, a lawyer for the state argued that pulling the tube would amount to euthanasia.

Assistant Attorney General William Hurd said Finn "is not dying, any more than a baby who cannot feed himself is dying." But Judge Hoss restated his decision and rejected the state's motion. Within minutes Michele Finn was finally free to order her husband's tube removed.

The end for Hugh Finn

Following the last hearing, an angry Michele Finn made national news disdaining the state's case and saying that Gilmore had no concept of "the hell he put me through."

On October 1, despite inquiries as to when she would ask the nursing home to stop feeding her husband, Mrs. Finn remained unwilling to answer. Only three days later, on October 4, it was announced that doctors had in fact disabled the feeding tube two days earlier. On October 9, Lisa Grepps, a spokeswoman for the Annaburg nursing home read a prepared statement. "Hugh Finn, a brain-damaged man who became the focus of a high-profile court fight over the right to die, died Friday, eight days after the feeding tube keeping him alive was removed. He was 44. Finn died at 10:10 a.m."

Epilogue

Despite the easy out available by condemning Michele Finn, this case begs for public discussion about the various types of medical support that are available to patient's in severely disabled circumstances. Not all "tube feedings" are the same. Some types of artificial feeding involve the infusion of synthetically produced products like TPN. These products are able to sustain a patient for weeks, even months, but over time they take a toll on other bodily organs. They are not intended nor can they be used indefinitely.

To criticize a family for stopping some feedings might amount to unwarranted persecution. Other types of artificial feeding involve prepared foods that are essentially pureed and pushed through a tube into the stomach. This type of feeding does not pose the same risk to health.

Hugh Finn lived for over three and a half years with food delivered in an unusual manner. The indication is that his tube feedings could have been continued indefinitely without harming other bodily organs or systems. And while his life was certainly different than he had hoped it would be in earlier, healthier days, there is no indication that Hugh Finn, in the midst of this battle, had given up on life. His continued existence and early improvements testify to a will to live which was stronger than he might have guessed when he was well.

From the Christian perspective, even if it involves suffering, and all life does, our ability to live through such storms can always result in some kind of benefit to ourselves and even others.

The pity is that Hugh Finn may have discovered that only after making careless comments to his wife that set the course of his eventual dying in process. The other pity is that Michele Finn was never able to adjust her worldview to accommodate a severely injured and needy husband.

By tenaciously holding onto unrealistic hopes without balancing them with a love for who Hugh Finn had become, she robbed herself of the chance to see how God could use overwhelming pain to produce something wonderful in her own life.

Last, reviewing various news stories about the Finn case brings to mind a necessary caution. Often the implication is that the individual ought to be held responsible for their injuries, even when those injuries involve no real risk-taking behavior.

This notion is peddled very subtly, even thoughtlessly. Just one example in Hugh Finn's case is that several journalists described his injury by stating that, "he ruptured his aorta," as if it was an act of his will. Instead, it was the force of another's car acting against his body that resulted in this massive trauma.

Normally we might argue for the economy of language; that such precision is unnecessary. But we do not live in an ordinary medical age. We live in an era when many consider that it is "better to be dead than disabled." If we can shift our language so that it appears the individual bears responsibility for his or her injury, we move toward convincing ourselves that our failure to love is less troublesome than the carelessness of the victim.


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KEYWORDS: hughfinn; schiavo; terri; terrischiavo
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To: MarMema
No matter what you record, you cannot speak for what you would want in that situation, and you cannot possibly foresee every situation that may come about.

I don't have to 'foresee every situation' to know I do not wish to live by feeding tube. I cannot think a circumstance where I would want that. Remember that these durable powers do not come into play unless you are already incapable of making your own decisions.

It is still true that, whether you wish to be artificially maintained, or whether you wish (as I do) not to be artificially maintained, it is most important to write your wishes down.

The government is clearly becoming very active in enforcing its will upon helpless people. It would be much better to 'arm' family members with weapons to protect you against your 'friendly' government.

I had always thought well of Gilmore, but had never heard this story of Hugh Finn. I am appalled that after the family resolved all their differences, poor Hugh had to face an onslaught from his state government and some unrelated woman who thought she knew best.

21 posted on 03/25/2005 3:06:33 PM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: Theodore R.
Supposedly not even the powerful George W. Greer knows how much insurance funds MRS will soon collect.

One thing you can be sure of is that it will not be one dollar more than was in existence on the date of Terri's cardiac arrest in 1990. She immediately became uninsurable. Since she was 26 and Michael was 27 and they didn't have a lot of money, I doubt it was very much, if any. Don't let your anger carry you away.

22 posted on 03/25/2005 3:09:57 PM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: MarMema

I was in the WLKY coverage area from 1984-88, but I just cannot remember Hugh Finn. I did not watch any early morning or noon local news; so that is probably why I did not recall him being on the air.

I noted that both he and Terri were born in PA.


23 posted on 03/25/2005 3:13:25 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: winstonchurchill

Terri worked for an insurance company. She could have had extraordinary coverage as a fringe benefit. In fact, that's how the Schindlers got to FL, wasn't it? Terri and MRS moved first because of HER job. Then the Schindlers joined them a few months later.

I bet to God they wish that they had never left PA.

You can be sure that there is $ in this for MRS. How, I don't know for sure.


24 posted on 03/25/2005 3:14:53 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: winstonchurchill

But Mrs. Finn, you can bet your last dollar, would not have removed the feeding tube of one of the children, if one of them had not recovered from the accident. She would not have done that to her "blood" relative. She did it to her husband without blinking for the $! She let it ride until HE became a financial liability.


25 posted on 03/25/2005 3:16:53 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: MarMema
Most of the people killed were denied not only feeding by tube, but feeding by mouth.

I'd like to see the source of that statistic. If true, I suspect it is people like me, who don't want to be kept alive in a mentally incompetent state under any circumstances if they can help it. Frankly, if I am in a nursing home and mentally incompetent, I don't want them to feed me by feeding tube, by hand, by mouth or by KFC. That'll be me 'stealing home' and excited to do so. My wife's already Home, and I can't hardly wait to join her.

Steal away, steal away, steal away to Jesus!

Steal away, steal away home,

I ain’t got long to stay here.

26 posted on 03/25/2005 3:20:47 PM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: Theodore R.
But Mrs. Finn, you can bet your last dollar, would not have removed the feeding tube of one of the children, if one of them had not recovered from the accident. She would not have done that to her "blood" relative. She did it to her husband without blinking for the $! She let it ride until HE became a financial liability.

Do you know some facts beyond those in the story or are you just putting your spin on it? Even though the story is written from the 'physical life at all costs' perspective, I don't see that in the story.

I have always found it difficult to predict what people 'would' do in other circumstances. Moreover, you ascribe motivations that would be hard to know. Are you sure your a priori position in favor of extending physical life isn't coloring your view here?

27 posted on 03/25/2005 3:25:13 PM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: winstonchurchill

Surely, you do not think for a moment that Mrs. Finn would have removed the feeding tube had it been one of the three children in that situation, rather than her husband. Blood (birth) is thicker than water (marriage).


28 posted on 03/25/2005 5:55:03 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: MarMema

Probably a relative of mine. Ironic, isn't it, when a liberal has to live and then die by their own standards.

I can only hope Judge Greer is someday euthanized in a nursing home the same way the SOB has euthanized Terri Schiavo.


29 posted on 03/25/2005 5:55:22 PM PST by PeterFinn ("Tolerance" means WE have to tolerate THEM. They can hate us all they want.)
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To: Tarantulas
Hugh Finn was not in PVS. He spoke for years, right up to the time his shunt became blocked and his wife refused to allow it to be repaired.

What you don't seem to understand is that both the label of PVS and a feeding tube are now murder weapons. PVS is considered a terminal illness because by definition a true PVS patient dies within a year. Therefore it is essential to have that diagnosis in order to remove food and water from someone.

30 posted on 03/25/2005 6:20:52 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: Tarantulas
A study reported in the British Medical Journal found that of 40 patients diagnosed as being in a persistent or permanent vegetative state (PVS), 17 (43%) were found to have been misdiagnosed by their referring physicians, 13 (33%) slowly came out of the vegetative state during rehabilitation therapy, and only 10 (25%) remained vegetative. The study also found that the incidence of misdiagnoses increased toward the end of the 3-year study period. In the first year (1992) there were two misdiagnosed patients, while in 1995 ten patients had been misdiagnosed by referring doctors.

The British study is one of the largest and most comprehensive investigations on PVS to date. Its findings are similar to an earlier U.S. study which found that, of the PVS patients who were referred to the Healthcare Rehabilitation Center in Austin, Texas, 38% were not vegetative at all and actually responded to stimuli upon subsequent examination.

Andrews noted that all of the misdiagnosed patients were severely disabled; 65% were either blind or profoundly visually impaired..."

In a BMJ editorial, Minneapolis neurologist Ronald Cranford pointed out that the quality of life of the 17 misdiagnosed patients was still questionable. "I would speculate," Cranford wrote, "that most people would find this condition far more horrifying than the vegetative state itself, and some might think it an even stronger reason for stopping treatment" (i.e., food and fluids).

31 posted on 03/25/2005 6:27:03 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: PeterFinn

Seeing your name on the threads was what made me think to post it.


32 posted on 03/25/2005 6:27:27 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: Theodore R.
Surely, you do not think for a moment that Mrs. Finn would have removed the feeding tube had it been one of the three children in that situation, rather than her husband. Blood (birth) is thicker than water (marriage).

Your comment presupposes that the reason for removing the feeding tube is insufficient (or at least lesser) love for the subject. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule, but that is certainly not the rule.

In fact, to the contrary, I think the primary reason that relatives maintain drastically-impaired people is that the relative can't bring themselves to let go. While that is understandable, it is no less sad. I think it is our duty as Christians to think of the best for the drastically-impaired individual, not what is best for us, the bystanders.

Terri's situation is a good example. The easy thing would be to hook her up again. It surely serves her no good; her brain will not grow back. At some level, it makes us feel good, because we can feel we have prevented the irreparable break (between her and us) of death. It allows us to avoid the reality that the 'break' has already occurred with the loss of her brain. It is natural and understandable for people to want to hook her up again for their own sakes, but it is not excusable. It is best for Terri to die. That is what she wanted and it stops the abuse of her body. But we know it is morally best when we look to Jesus' analysis.

I have tried several times on other threads to get our Christian brothers and sisters to think seriously about Jesus' formulation of the Golden Rule: "In everything, treat others as you would want them to treat you." (Mt 7:12) Much of the invective on FR is directed toward those who would "kill" or "murder" others. I think it is much more productive to start the analysis, as Jesus does, with what we would want for ourselves. Generally, it is much easier for people to admit that they, themselves, would not want to continue to live in the circumstances afflicting Terri. That is certainly true for me; and I have to believe that for those who are honest with themselves, for them too.

Once we admit that, then, again following Jesus' analysis, we can see what we should do to help others attain that which we would want for ourselves. Because He told us, mutatis mutandis, to "Treat Terri as you would want Terri to treat you (if the circumstances were reversed)." Because it is much easier for me to know what I would want Terri to do for me, were the circumstances reversed, it helps me to see what I need to do to help Terri.

That is why I believe Judge Greer's order is not only the only lawful answer under our system of law, but also the 'Christian answer' to Terri's predicament as well.

33 posted on 03/25/2005 6:41:21 PM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: MarMema
What you don't seem to understand is that both the label of PVS and a feeding tube are now murder weapons. PVS is considered a terminal illness because by definition a true PVS patient dies within a year. Therefore it is essential to have that diagnosis in order to remove food and water from someone.

That's not very "persistent" then, is it?

Some patients may regain a degree of awareness after persistent vegetative state. Others may remain in a vegetative state for years or even decades. The most common cause of death for a person in a vegetative state is infection such as pneumonia.

Reference

34 posted on 03/25/2005 7:04:51 PM PST by Tarantulas
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To: winstonchurchill
You may be interested in this article. It puts forward the idea of "theological" or "biblical" death for patients in PVS.
35 posted on 03/25/2005 7:13:54 PM PST by Tarantulas
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To: winstonchurchill

You did not answer my point at all about birth and marriage. Your post reeks of nazism to me. And I thought that Bob Dole gave an arm to end nazism. Why is it still rampant in Pinellas Park, FL, tonight?


36 posted on 03/25/2005 7:18:59 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Tarantulas
I finally posted this right from the journal because I was tired of debate with people about it

"The adjective "persistent" refers only to a condition of past and continuing disability with an uncertain future"

"A wakeful unconscious state that lasts longer than a few weeks is referred to as a persistent vegetative state."

37 posted on 03/25/2005 7:20:15 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: PeterFinn

Somebody posted on another board that the ultraliberal OR Republican Gov. Tom McCall claimed he did not want to live by artificial means either, but when he faced death, Mr. McCall changed his mind.


38 posted on 03/25/2005 7:20:22 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Tarantulas
Reference

An excellent summary on PVS. Cuts both ways on the Terri issues.

39 posted on 03/25/2005 7:36:52 PM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: Theodore R.

McCall left office on January 14, 1975. Despite his famous 1971 quote imploring people not to move to the state, Oregon's population grew 25% during his eight years in office. He took a job as KATU television's news analyst, and also traveled nationwide supporting other states' efforts to enact bottle bills similar to Oregon's. He also actively opposed a 1976 effort to abolish the LCDC, and another effort to dismantle it in 1982. In February of 1978 McCall announced he would once again run for governor, however his campaign suffered from a lack of both funding and focus, and he was defeated by Victor Atiyeh in the Republican primary.

In December 1982 he was hospitalized, and on January 8, 1983 Tom McCall lost a long battle with cancer. He was buried in Redmond Memorial Cemetery


40 posted on 03/25/2005 7:46:06 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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